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the smoke radio for the masses of July 8

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1947 the Army Air Forces has announced

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that a flying disc has been found and is

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now in the possession of the army

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game is rigs change the game game

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changer I occasionally think how quickly

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hard difference is worldwide would

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vanish if we were facing an alien threat

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from outside this work

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this is Fade to Black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer Radio

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Network

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all right welcome Fade to Black

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Wednesday February 15

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2023 very excited about the show tonight

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except for my cable check this out

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it's shorting out and I can't figure out

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why look it broke look at this look look

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look look can you believe that so now

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I've got shorting out I've got another

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pair of headphones here

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I didn't have the time

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show started this is what happens when

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Richard bleep and Dolan is our guest he

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melts all this stuff Richard Dolan is

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here with us tonight we're going to be

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talking about what is going on in the

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Skies over North America

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missiles UFOs UFO uaps and uh the

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possible agenda behind it all there's

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nobody better to do all of this I want

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everybody to go to either during the

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show after the show tonight but just get

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it done go to

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richarddolinmembers.com the links are

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below they're over the website I've got

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them up in social media

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um it's uh it's the place to hang out

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well besides right here right now and

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I'm not gonna do it anymore I'm not

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gonna do the Richard bleep and Dolan CV

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that is like this long and it takes me a

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half an hour takes away from the show

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because tonight Richard Dolan and I

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later on we're going to discuss what's

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going on in North America the first 90

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minutes of the show Jazz and classic

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American films that's what we're going

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to do you know you know what's funny hey

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Richard everybody's so excited right

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Richard's gonna bring the big stuff

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tonight we're gonna throw down and we

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talk about about Miles Davis and

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baseball we do enjoy the Miles Davis and

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we do enjoy by the way

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a nice little intro theme going there is

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either it's a combination of both you

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to you Richard that's all that matters

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and that's what matters well I thought

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it sounded pretty good

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it's interesting happening there

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um uh I've got a really I've got a

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really close mutual friend of ours

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um that uh does stuff for me and uh and

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who who who doesn't like their name in

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so I can't I will blurt it out and then

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the next thing you know all the cool

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stuff stops getting made for me but uh

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not that talented I I can't do stuff

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um and I know you're in the same boat

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who who does your book covers it's not

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um Tracy runs that and will usually

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we don't have one person but she will

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find people on Fiverr

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that uh in a whole array of things I've

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audiobooks for me as well wow that's

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of sign off and I'm like oh yes I

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approve of this but she's she does all

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um let me let me ask you uh we Richard

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and I we're going to be talking about

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UFOs tonight we're going to be talking

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that's why he's here I need to know and

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I was getting text uh Richard from some

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friends of ours

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um uh to Richard already do the show no

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okay uh right before the show a lot of

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people are tuning in tonight as they

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come on now

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but and we're gonna get to that but I

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that you listened to today unless you

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wrote it down did you remember it

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do remember it but we don't have to go

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there we could say something do you even

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remember it are you getting out because

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you forgot I actually remember it spit

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it out my man it is Elvis Costello whoa

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whoa that is Elvis Costello

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and uh a really great song that he

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didn't write but he did the ultimate

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cover of it what's so funny about peace

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love and understand is that a great song

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yeah you know what also a great video

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it's it's a great video the early early

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days of MTV so anyone under 50 must be

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of ours thinking these dudes are oh wait

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is Elvis Costello but honestly you

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listen to Elvis Costello in 1979 which

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is when I did and he blew my doors away

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he really was even then right but he was

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the musician's musician period a great

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songwriter absolutely and a unique

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singer everything he did is just top

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notch that's right he really was and is

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what his actual name is his real name

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what is it Declan McManus that's right

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that's right that's right that's right

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but it is so if the guy that we know now

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was coming out that I don't think he

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would have made it no peace of a lot of

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guys probably yeah I've met a lot of

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people yeah he got his foot in the door

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with that's a nice little song it was

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written by um Nick Lowe who had was with

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rock pile and played with Dave Evans and

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was Elvis Costello's producer for um a

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number of his early albums Nick Lowe was

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pretty cool that's a nice kind of like

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Latter-Day hippie songs like can't we

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all just get along we've got a little

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bit of a utopian vibe to it but

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like I love this song and it's still a

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great song I remember a couple of years

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ago you and I went on this uh Dave

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we went on that tangent for like 45

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minutes and I'm watching the attack I

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was watching the chat Jesus Christ who

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you and I Nick I'd never heard of this

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Nick Lowe guy no I know but they were

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great they were great we were losing our

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minds over that and nobody

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Edmonds especially people really don't

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remember Dave Edmonds but he he was

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truly excellent yeah excellent guitar

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plus okay so we almost did it now we're

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done everybody you wanted to move on to

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something else though you had another

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thing on your mind one one question

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um uh Steven Spielberg uh kick over the

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last couple of weeks so I I went back I

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just told you before the show I watched

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his documentary called Spielberg it's on

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HBO HBO documentaries I watched that a

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couple of weeks ago he's got his new

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film out called the Fable men's you know

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his life story

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um and so when you see the documentary

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fablemans which the way that his mom's

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portrayed and the way that it's all laid

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his biopic right and it's it's really

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well made but anyway so I went back and

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did uh uh uh the horse there's so many

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two the Tom Cruise one that was pretty

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it was a good movie yeah yeah so I went

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down uh Memory Lane I didn't realize uh

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made a lot of films we did Jaws yeah

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that's right no out I watched it

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watched that I watched a shattering

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movie uh incredible okay so my question

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with the girl with the red dress

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you know and you know when she's walking

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down the streets of uh Warsaw in the in

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the Nazis are you know hurting everybody

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up she's by herself in the red dress and

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then later on Schindler he sees her from

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the rooftop right and he takes note and

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she's dead you know in a pile of bodies

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there one that immediately comes to mind

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really loved that movie it was an

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ever saw by him but it's the one that

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stands out to me and it just

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I've seen it many times and it just kind

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of blew me away yeah just as you said

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that as I was asking the question there

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it is saving Saving Private Ryan was my

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um so okay let's let's move on I just

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got back from you always make me laugh

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you don't even try you just make me

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laugh

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you just do it I I can't remember why we

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were laughing so hard last week in our

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text hold on for a second let me pull

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this up because you and I were killing

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each other oh oh that's right not that

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much I don't think so no no it was the

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we did uh we did bring out the the

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penguin urination yes for a brief period

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yeah and we were laughing at that

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um but we do make each other laugh man

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for sure I appreciate that I enjoy that

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uh especially when we come off of such a

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crazy serious weekend too as well to

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have some brevity and and stuff

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um I was at conscious life Expo Thursday

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Friday Saturday Sunday Monday and of

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course we know what happened Friday

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Saturday and Sunday and to have a UFO

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conference right a Consciousness UFO

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conference like that and I have this

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going on at the same time obviously

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everybody was talking about it and it

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was pretty strange to go through the

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weekend with this

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um as we start to do the Deep dive

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um Looking Back Now on the three days do

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you have an overall take as we get into

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this yep I do yeah what's your overall I

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did I did a thing on this uh on my my

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channel uh on YouTube last night

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um hey go take a look at my channel see

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what I have to say but I'll just say

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here

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um I put out a couple of different

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scenarios because I don't really think

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anyone actually knows exactly yet but

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we're developing some theories I'm going

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to give you my theory I don't know if I

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have time for it here before whatever

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you want to do a break but I think it's

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a combination of a few things that

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actually happened hey it's not UFOs

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when I hear people use talking about

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this as a UFO thing I mean maybe it is I

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don't think it is and I just find a lot

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of the UFO chat to be kind of cringy in

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my opinion

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I think what this is a geopolitical

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uh in a lot of ways distraction and in a

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lot of ways it's just something that

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blew up in a way that really I think

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would never have blown up in any other

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era so by that I mean

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balloons have been used as spycraft

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actually for quite some time

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you go back to the 1950s and 60s the

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United States flew hundreds of balloons

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over the Soviet Union for Espionage

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Soviets did the same thing over West

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Germany during the Cold War everyone has

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known that China uses balloons and and

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you think why would you use a balloon

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their satellites are so much better and

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yes satellites undoubtedly are better

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for a lot of things but balloons are

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cheap and balloons can uh you know as as

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I have learned in trying to study this

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and understand there are lots and lots

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of commercial balloons that have said

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Aloft all the time so if you have a spy

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balloon and you just want to send it

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over it it may not be that difficult for

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it to just go unnoticed even even by

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something like NORAD

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in fact one of the things I said last

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night I I'm probably going to want to

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correct because a very smart person

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uh pointed something out but essentially

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I'll just say

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NORAD

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has a lot of that balloon traffic

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filtered out because there's just too

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much there's too much traffic and so

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it's absolutely possible for spy

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balloons to be used and to be effective

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they can be and undoubtedly China does

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this now here's the thing

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we've known China has done this for many

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many years

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and no one was really having a

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conniption over it I found a quote uh

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yesterday morning from the head of the

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U.S I got this note right here in front

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of me

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he's he's chief of Air Force Central

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Command that's in the Middle East this

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is Lieutenant General Alexis grinkowich

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and I just saw an article about uh

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featuring him yesterday and he's talking

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about how

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we in the Middle East U.S command has

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been trapping tracking Chinese balloons

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for the longest time and he says the

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level of concern I have about them is

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extremely low it's not something I lose

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sleep over he had a few other things to

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say but that was basically it it's like

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we spy on the Chinese they spy on us we

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spy on the Russians they spy on us

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there's cyber warfare that goes back and

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forth there's all kinds of things we got

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spy satellites over there territory they

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have them over hours it's like everyone

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knows this

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are you going to start a war over every

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single time this happens that's a real

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question so the real question to ask is

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not is this something new

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but why is this a thing now

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why is this a thing now well okay and um

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I don't know if you're done but let me

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I'm done for now okay is this Richard

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but why missiles all all of a sudden

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what missiles am I missing something we

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shot we shot down three with missiles

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yeah yeah missiles over North America

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why why why this Sudden Change well

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that's not a good look let me think

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about this you got to think what the

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Russians and Chinese are thinking

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looking over in America right now

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oh I'm just stop and think

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uh and and really the the war in Eastern

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Europe and I don't want to get you in

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trouble

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night for everything that I said but

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basically it's part of my analysis

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because that war is not going well from

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a western point of view I'm just going

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to say this

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doesn't matter who you think is right or

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wrong it's irrelevant

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the facts on the ground do not look good

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this is a an A plus plus level crap show

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that will only get worse

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in the coming weeks and months and I

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guarantee it

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and you've got the crazy neocons who

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surround the president right now he's

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actually one of the crazy neocons but

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we've got all these all these crazy

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people

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who have pushed 100 plus billion dollars

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into the war all right that's that's the

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drop in the bucket compared with what we

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did in Afghanistan and Iraq but

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nonetheless it's a lot of money

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and and the whole thing's going Belly Up

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this is going sideways real fast

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really fast and I am

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I would not be surprised if you have

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some people thinking uh let's move some

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eyeballs away from this and we got to

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move towards China because that's really

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what we're going to be doing that's the

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real issue

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China is an actual problem from for the

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usgo strategically and it's all has to

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do with Taiwan

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you got all the semiconductors being

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made there

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a lot of semiconductors we're in an era

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where AI is now got Wings it's taking

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off and those semiconductors are more

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important than ever and they're all made

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in that little island like less than 100

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miles off the coast of China that China

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says that's our country

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and America's like no it isn't and

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you know China's looking at the United

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States right now

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our manufacturing infrastructure for

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weapons is shot

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that's a fact

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we've been building for the wrong kind

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of a war

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we've been fighting Wars for the last 20

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years against guys in the desert aren't

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with AK-47s not peer level armies that

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have S 400 anti-aircraft rocket systems

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that'll shoot your aircraft out of the

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sky and much more and we can't produce

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the amount our military manufacturing

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system is totally different than what

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Russia has

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and what China has for that matter so

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they're able to produce this is like a

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real shocking turnaround I don't think

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most people are aware so my point is

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very simple

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this whole thing is going down real fast

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and

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right now it's all about Optics it's it

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can only be about managing public

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perception

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and so

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what I believe actually happened this is

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my theory

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the first balloon

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was spotted I think by civilians am I

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wrong here I think civilians spotted it

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in Montana

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and it became a thing

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this was an unexpected like and for

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several days the Nations like to Biden

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why aren't you shooting this down all

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the um you know the Republicans

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especially who hate Biden they want to

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take him down it's like this is invading

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our sovereignty like

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so says the nation that invades

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everyone's sovereignty but we'll just

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leave that aside for the moment this is

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our violation of our sovereignty and

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what are you going to do about it so

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he had to shoot it down

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I would bet ten to one odds that the

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military itself is thinking we don't

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really want to do this but this is all

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white house like they had to do it for

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political Optics because you can't

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appear weak because you're barely

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hanging on by your fingernails to your

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reputation in Eastern Europe right now

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so so we got to look strong and shoot

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the balloon out of the sky and then once

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you get the first one now everyone is

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aware of the balloons so now there's

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balloon number two the next day balloon

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number three the day after that and

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have they run out of targets I was I was

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pretty surprised we didn't have anything

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on Monday Tuesday or tonight

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yeah well I mean if you know what I'm

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saying I I expected this trend to

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continue I mean why stop you got to look

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how how farcical and foolish this looks

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a lot of people in the UFO Community

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like they're getting excited it's like

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hey UFOs are being mentioned in the news

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maybe These Are UFOs they're not UFOs if

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they were actual UFOs you wouldn't shoot

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okay okay not not real UFOs I mean I'm

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not saying a real UFO has never been

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shot down but four for four not

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happening yeah yeah that doesn't happen

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yeah suddenly they're running in slow

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motion like they're in a giant tank of

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Canadian molasses right it's it just

509
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doesn't make any sense but

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here's the thing

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uh at least from uh you know my Optics

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uh like three or three or four mistakes

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have been made so let's go to the first

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one

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um which is the Department of Defense

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and odni I have been putting uaps out

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front with reports and public hearings

518
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and conversation and foyers and then

519
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leaked video you know so that's been out

520
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there and and then when stuff starts

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getting shot out of the sky they've

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created their own problem right where

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they've done this where you know all of

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this has been talked about and now

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suddenly uh we're shooting stuff out of

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the sky and now they have to backpedal

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when the public is going what's going on

528
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well you've you've prepped us for this

529
00:22:16,250 --> 00:22:14,340
for so long that of course we're going

530
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to ask if these are

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ET or alien because this is all you've

532
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been talking about since 2017 right so

533
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did they create this problem for

534
00:22:28,850 --> 00:22:26,159
themselves uh it was kind of created for

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them I I still do not believe that the

536
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Navy voluntarily said hey we're going to

537
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start talking to the public about UFOs I

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don't believe that what I think is that

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their

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are always factions always factions

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within the National Security State and

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we had the Elizondo Mellon and the ttsa

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faction

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yeah they have intelligence connections

545
00:22:51,890 --> 00:22:49,500
but they also had enemies

546
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they had friends they had enemies they

547
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were able to get the UFO UAP matter out

548
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to the public they had help from people

549
00:23:01,370 --> 00:22:58,200
like Leslie Kane and Ralph Blumenthal

550
00:23:05,210 --> 00:23:01,380
and they made they made a breakthrough

551
00:23:07,970 --> 00:23:05,220
and so that forced the Pentagon and the

552
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:07,980
Navy into eventually having to do

553
00:23:12,649 --> 00:23:09,360
something about it if you remember for

554
00:23:14,990 --> 00:23:12,659
the whole first year and a half uh it

555
00:23:17,930 --> 00:23:15,000
was one attack on those guys after

556
00:23:19,789 --> 00:23:17,940
another I remember one time uh you you

557
00:23:21,890 --> 00:23:19,799
cornered me I think it was at contact in

558
00:23:24,350 --> 00:23:21,900
the desert a few years ago when the

559
00:23:26,750 --> 00:23:24,360
Pentagon was calling Elizondo a liar

560
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:26,760
saying he'd never run atip

561
00:23:30,649 --> 00:23:28,799
well that was a lie

562
00:23:32,330 --> 00:23:30,659
but the the fact was that there was an

563
00:23:35,090 --> 00:23:32,340
information war going on behind the

564
00:23:37,370 --> 00:23:35,100
scenes and so the Pentagon got dragged

565
00:23:40,250 --> 00:23:37,380
into this and I think that they've done

566
00:23:41,870 --> 00:23:40,260
a masterful job of handling the pr right

567
00:23:43,130 --> 00:23:41,880
they've take they've taken control of

568
00:23:46,430 --> 00:23:43,140
the narrative

569
00:23:48,710 --> 00:23:46,440
so but but they I think if they really

570
00:23:50,690 --> 00:23:48,720
had things the way they wanted we'd be

571
00:23:52,490 --> 00:23:50,700
in you know where we were in 2016 and

572
00:23:54,770 --> 00:23:52,500
2015 and before that I think that that

573
00:23:56,270 --> 00:23:54,780
was the ideal for them but now that it's

574
00:23:58,789 --> 00:23:56,280
been brought out it's been made a little

575
00:24:00,710 --> 00:23:58,799
bit of a public thing yeah they they are

576
00:24:03,409 --> 00:24:00,720
working with that and they are using

577
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:03,419
that to their advantage so now yes UFOs

578
00:24:08,210 --> 00:24:06,480
UAP they're not the kiss of death in the

579
00:24:09,830 --> 00:24:08,220
media that they once were

580
00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:09,840
you can talk about them and know people

581
00:24:14,930 --> 00:24:11,760
aren't going to laugh at you so it is

582
00:24:17,630 --> 00:24:14,940
out there now and this is part of the

583
00:24:19,549 --> 00:24:17,640
result it's like yes the public is aware

584
00:24:22,190 --> 00:24:19,559
this is what happened in the old days of

585
00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:22,200
Project Blue Book back in the 1940s and

586
00:24:29,570 --> 00:24:24,000
50s and 60s

587
00:24:31,850 --> 00:24:29,580
in this really tough spot on the one

588
00:24:33,370 --> 00:24:31,860
hand they would say to the public these

589
00:24:35,810 --> 00:24:33,380
UFOs are hoaxes hallucinations

590
00:24:37,909 --> 00:24:35,820
misidentifications and so forth but the

591
00:24:40,370 --> 00:24:37,919
problem that they always had was yeah

592
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:40,380
but why do you have Project Blue Book to

593
00:24:45,049 --> 00:24:42,000
investigate these things if you think

594
00:24:47,029 --> 00:24:45,059
there's nothing to it why and and the

595
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:47,039
fact was the Air Force never had a good

596
00:24:50,930 --> 00:24:48,720
answer for that they kept trying to

597
00:24:53,149 --> 00:24:50,940
unload Blue Book for years they finally

598
00:24:55,909 --> 00:24:53,159
succeeded at the end of the 60s but it

599
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:55,919
took them a while and and we're finding

600
00:24:59,330 --> 00:24:57,600
the military in a similar position again

601
00:25:03,830 --> 00:24:59,340
now so they

602
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:03,840
you know they're they never once have

603
00:25:08,270 --> 00:25:06,480
pressed the Red Alien alarm button and

604
00:25:09,710 --> 00:25:08,280
said Run for the hills the aliens are

605
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:09,720
here they don't do that they everything

606
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:12,960
they say plays it down everything and

607
00:25:18,169 --> 00:25:14,640
what's interesting well the last thing

608
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:18,179
I'll say Okay UFOs are now they're

609
00:25:22,970 --> 00:25:21,120
they're using balloons and they're

610
00:25:24,590 --> 00:25:22,980
describing them as UFOs

611
00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:24,600
ask yourself

612
00:25:30,649 --> 00:25:27,840
what's that all about why are they why

613
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:30,659
are they using the phrase UFO to

614
00:25:35,149 --> 00:25:32,159
describe something that are clearly

615
00:25:37,850 --> 00:25:35,159
balloons and clearly either Chinese

616
00:25:40,669 --> 00:25:37,860
surveillance or maybe us drones who the

617
00:25:42,409 --> 00:25:40,679
hell knows but they're not UFOs but and

618
00:25:44,570 --> 00:25:42,419
they know that but they're using the

619
00:25:46,490 --> 00:25:44,580
phrase UFO wow that's right that's right

620
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:46,500
and so

621
00:25:51,909 --> 00:25:48,960
um a couple of weeks ago

622
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:51,919
um I called you up out of the blue

623
00:25:57,169 --> 00:25:55,200
to uh compliment to and talk to you

624
00:25:58,669 --> 00:25:57,179
about UFOs and National Security State

625
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:58,679
volume one and that you know I was

626
00:26:03,890 --> 00:26:00,960
reading it for like yeah that was great

627
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:03,900
and and and we talked a little bit then

628
00:26:10,730 --> 00:26:08,400
about how you wrote that in 2000

629
00:26:12,830 --> 00:26:10,740
published the first edition in 2000 I

630
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:12,840
actually wrote it in the late 90s okay

631
00:26:18,649 --> 00:26:15,120
starting from no knowledge that was my

632
00:26:20,750 --> 00:26:18,659
education that book but the way uh and

633
00:26:23,149 --> 00:26:20,760
the the subject and the way that it's

634
00:26:24,529 --> 00:26:23,159
approached in that book which is now 23

635
00:26:26,810 --> 00:26:24,539
years ago

636
00:26:29,870 --> 00:26:26,820
we're reliving it right now it's it's

637
00:26:32,510 --> 00:26:29,880
pretty shocking to to see

638
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:32,520
um how accurate your analysis was and

639
00:26:35,870 --> 00:26:34,320
for telling the future on this and that

640
00:26:36,769 --> 00:26:35,880
I find that an extremely compelling

641
00:26:38,750 --> 00:26:36,779
Richard

642
00:26:42,169 --> 00:26:38,760
I'll have to reread it myself now but

643
00:26:44,090 --> 00:26:42,179
yeah thank you that's right okay but but

644
00:26:45,950 --> 00:26:44,100
okay so that was mistake number one in

645
00:26:47,870 --> 00:26:45,960
my opinion and they're dealing with that

646
00:26:49,130 --> 00:26:47,880
wait wait mistake number one I just want

647
00:26:50,350 --> 00:26:49,140
to make sure I'm following you it's

648
00:26:53,390 --> 00:26:50,360
shooting them down

649
00:26:55,010 --> 00:26:53,400
that we've had UFOs and new APS in the

650
00:26:57,049 --> 00:26:55,020
conversation the public eye for the last

651
00:26:59,330 --> 00:26:57,059
five years suddenly this starts

652
00:27:00,890 --> 00:26:59,340
happening missiles well it's on

653
00:27:02,450 --> 00:27:00,900
everybody's mind and so the questions

654
00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:02,460
are going to come back to the Department

655
00:27:07,730 --> 00:27:05,520
of Defense about what is actually going

656
00:27:10,490 --> 00:27:07,740
on that I think that's mistake number

657
00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:10,500
one mistake number two

658
00:27:16,850 --> 00:27:15,600
they have not released a single image or

659
00:27:20,570 --> 00:27:16,860
video

660
00:27:23,630 --> 00:27:20,580
I don't understand that and if you're if

661
00:27:27,970 --> 00:27:23,640
they are telling us that they are

662
00:27:30,350 --> 00:27:27,980
acquiring uh a Target

663
00:27:33,830 --> 00:27:30,360
scrambling Jets

664
00:27:36,110 --> 00:27:33,840
and not getting Imaging of these before

665
00:27:39,230 --> 00:27:36,120
they shoot them down that's [\h__\h] but

666
00:27:41,690 --> 00:27:39,240
that's not true and so right now with

667
00:27:43,210 --> 00:27:41,700
missiles flying over North America then

668
00:27:45,289 --> 00:27:43,220
I think that the American public

669
00:27:49,549 --> 00:27:45,299
deserves to see what we are shooting

670
00:27:51,470 --> 00:27:49,559
down and yeah why I I think this is a

671
00:27:53,210 --> 00:27:51,480
huge mistake yeah they've State the

672
00:27:55,730 --> 00:27:53,220
official statement if I'm if unless I'm

673
00:27:58,730 --> 00:27:55,740
wrong is that the the numbers two three

674
00:28:01,370 --> 00:27:58,740
and four they have not recovered no

675
00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:01,380
didn't they say that when they were yes

676
00:28:05,870 --> 00:28:04,320
hold on that's Point number three so

677
00:28:08,390 --> 00:28:05,880
we're gonna that's Point number three

678
00:28:11,810 --> 00:28:08,400
but Point number two you know that

679
00:28:14,810 --> 00:28:11,820
they've shot video and captured still

680
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:14,820
images of these objects and have not

681
00:28:21,049 --> 00:28:18,000
released anything if it's just

682
00:28:22,669 --> 00:28:21,059
commercial balloons gone astray

683
00:28:24,529 --> 00:28:22,679
release the pictures

684
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:24,539
that's an interesting point I would say

685
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:26,159
this

686
00:28:30,350 --> 00:28:28,799
uh from their point of view

687
00:28:32,029 --> 00:28:30,360
I mean think about it you're in you're

688
00:28:35,149 --> 00:28:32,039
an authoritarian government

689
00:28:37,250 --> 00:28:35,159
that uh you're in the middle of a

690
00:28:39,769 --> 00:28:37,260
revolution against your people

691
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:39,779
part of a worldwide phenomenon uh you

692
00:28:45,649 --> 00:28:41,840
don't want to get into the habit of over

693
00:28:47,149 --> 00:28:45,659
sharing with your public right so you do

694
00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:47,159
you want to do you want the people to be

695
00:28:50,450 --> 00:28:48,480
used to the idea that you're just going

696
00:28:52,909 --> 00:28:50,460
to share information with them probably

697
00:28:55,130 --> 00:28:52,919
not so that's probably their motivation

698
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:55,140
uh are they actually hiding something I

699
00:28:58,610 --> 00:28:56,640
I don't think they're hiding the fact

700
00:29:01,010 --> 00:28:58,620
that these are alien craft

701
00:29:02,950 --> 00:29:01,020
I just I just don't believe it now let

702
00:29:05,450 --> 00:29:02,960
me just say

703
00:29:08,750 --> 00:29:05,460
someone's gonna have to do some foia

704
00:29:11,210 --> 00:29:08,760
to see what information can be obtained

705
00:29:13,250 --> 00:29:11,220
so it it wouldn't it's honestly it's

706
00:29:14,990 --> 00:29:13,260
really not appropriate for me to say

707
00:29:17,330 --> 00:29:15,000
that I know for a fact that they're not

708
00:29:21,669 --> 00:29:17,340
genuine UFOs but I will say I don't

709
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:24,830
when you combine the comments you know

710
00:29:28,490 --> 00:29:26,880
that have come out publicly about this

711
00:29:30,289 --> 00:29:28,500
and everything's been you know very

712
00:29:32,990 --> 00:29:30,299
limited and we all know that the

713
00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:33,000
information is has been spare spares

714
00:29:35,950 --> 00:29:34,320
sparse

715
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:35,960
um but

716
00:29:42,350 --> 00:29:39,360
no images and if you are going to say

717
00:29:44,029 --> 00:29:42,360
and these quotes are out there now we

718
00:29:46,730 --> 00:29:44,039
have determined that they were harmless

719
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:46,740
and that these were either commercial or

720
00:29:51,470 --> 00:29:48,480
private balloons

721
00:29:52,850 --> 00:29:51,480
release the photographs release well

722
00:29:55,370 --> 00:29:52,860
there's a couple of other possibilities

723
00:29:59,630 --> 00:29:55,380
here Jimmy well I didn't get too I

724
00:30:01,490 --> 00:29:59,640
didn't get to three and four so so

725
00:30:02,990 --> 00:30:01,500
um I'm gonna skip over three because you

726
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:03,000
kind of mentioned it let's go to four

727
00:30:07,389 --> 00:30:06,480
there was a quote uh two days ago on

728
00:30:10,730 --> 00:30:07,399
Monday

729
00:30:13,130 --> 00:30:10,740
uh at one of the press conferences with

730
00:30:15,049 --> 00:30:13,140
a general I'm going to paraphrase I

731
00:30:17,690 --> 00:30:15,059
don't have it out in front of me but he

732
00:30:21,470 --> 00:30:17,700
literally said to the Press Corps

733
00:30:22,970 --> 00:30:21,480
I can't say it wasn't aliens

734
00:30:25,130 --> 00:30:22,980
and and I'm like wait wait wait wait

735
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:25,140
wait wait wait wait you just said

736
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:28,320
harmless not him uh uh what's her name

737
00:30:33,669 --> 00:30:31,679
uh from uh uh the White House

738
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:33,679
um

739
00:30:38,389 --> 00:30:36,720
Jean-Pierre so uh you know you've got

740
00:30:40,669 --> 00:30:38,399
that and then you're gonna step up and

741
00:30:44,330 --> 00:30:40,679
say well you know I I can't say that

742
00:30:46,789 --> 00:30:44,340
it's not aliens but it's this mixed

743
00:30:49,789 --> 00:30:46,799
message and then and then if we're gonna

744
00:30:51,169 --> 00:30:49,799
get to the fifth one uh fifth point

745
00:30:56,210 --> 00:30:51,179
which is

746
00:30:58,909 --> 00:30:56,220
to suggest in any way I don't care if a

747
00:31:00,889 --> 00:30:58,919
Cessna goes down some small plane in the

748
00:31:04,250 --> 00:31:00,899
Rocky Mountains in some remote region or

749
00:31:06,769 --> 00:31:04,260
the Yukon or whatever FAA Canadian

750
00:31:08,870 --> 00:31:06,779
authorities all over that investigating

751
00:31:10,430 --> 00:31:08,880
it retrieving the debris laying it out

752
00:31:13,130 --> 00:31:10,440
in an airplane Hangar and figuring out

753
00:31:15,769 --> 00:31:13,140
what's going on minutes after they will

754
00:31:18,590 --> 00:31:15,779
arrive and get there and somehow do

755
00:31:21,649 --> 00:31:18,600
everything that they can but we shoot

756
00:31:23,409 --> 00:31:21,659
down three well we can call it four but

757
00:31:27,049 --> 00:31:23,419
I'm talking about the three this weekend

758
00:31:29,090 --> 00:31:27,059
and to respond back that we shot stuff

759
00:31:31,970 --> 00:31:29,100
down with missiles and we may never

760
00:31:34,850 --> 00:31:31,980
recover the debris that's [\h__\h] it's

761
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:34,860
[\h__\h] they've got it now there is no

762
00:31:40,190 --> 00:31:38,159
way that they don't if if they actually

763
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:40,200
shot down three I mean I don't really

764
00:31:44,450 --> 00:31:42,000
know if they did

765
00:31:46,370 --> 00:31:44,460
no one really knows

766
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:46,380
I I don't know how truthful these people

767
00:31:49,370 --> 00:31:47,760
are these are the people who blew up the

768
00:31:53,029 --> 00:31:49,380
nordstrain pipeline

769
00:31:54,590 --> 00:31:53,039
there let's not go there here we go I

770
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:54,600
don't watch that but these are these are

771
00:31:59,570 --> 00:31:56,640
the I'm just saying you cannot expect

772
00:32:00,769 --> 00:31:59,580
honesty in any way

773
00:32:03,470 --> 00:32:00,779
to come out of the United States

774
00:32:05,870 --> 00:32:03,480
government I'm sorry you can't this is

775
00:32:08,570 --> 00:32:05,880
not these are not honest players

776
00:32:11,330 --> 00:32:08,580
and so this leads into

777
00:32:12,889 --> 00:32:11,340
a couple of my other scenarios scenario

778
00:32:15,409 --> 00:32:12,899
number one is what I what I said earlier

779
00:32:17,690 --> 00:32:15,419
which is a civilian saw it it became a

780
00:32:18,889 --> 00:32:17,700
big thing and the Biden White House felt

781
00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:18,899
like ah crap we got to do something

782
00:32:24,590 --> 00:32:21,360
about this which I do think

783
00:32:28,250 --> 00:32:24,600
is part of it but I also think that this

784
00:32:32,210 --> 00:32:28,260
is part of a uh a pivot

785
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:32,220
well I guess it is a pivot really away

786
00:32:36,409 --> 00:32:35,039
a slow pivot but a pivot away from the

787
00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:36,419
debacle that's happening in Eastern

788
00:32:40,669 --> 00:32:38,399
Europe onward to the next debacle which

789
00:32:41,930 --> 00:32:40,679
will be over probably China and Taiwan I

790
00:32:44,450 --> 00:32:41,940
think they're going to move to that you

791
00:32:45,769 --> 00:32:44,460
had Mark milley who's uh you know

792
00:32:48,049 --> 00:32:45,779
this is

793
00:32:51,470 --> 00:32:48,059
Joint Chiefs what is he he's saying you

794
00:32:53,810 --> 00:32:51,480
know China 2025 could be a war

795
00:32:55,909 --> 00:32:53,820
it's insane but this is how these people

796
00:32:59,450 --> 00:32:55,919
think so they're they're clearly looking

797
00:33:01,850 --> 00:32:59,460
for the next engagement and and China is

798
00:33:03,409 --> 00:33:01,860
important Taiwan is important it

799
00:33:04,909 --> 00:33:03,419
actually really really is it's very

800
00:33:06,649 --> 00:33:04,919
important to China and it's very

801
00:33:08,269 --> 00:33:06,659
important to the United States

802
00:33:09,230 --> 00:33:08,279
that's a problem that's not going to go

803
00:33:12,769 --> 00:33:09,240
away

804
00:33:15,289 --> 00:33:12,779
and so you could see maybe the US is

805
00:33:16,190 --> 00:33:15,299
trying to just build up build up the

806
00:33:19,310 --> 00:33:16,200
tension

807
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:19,320
to justify something against China

808
00:33:23,149 --> 00:33:21,600
I mean I assume that China had

809
00:33:25,310 --> 00:33:23,159
surveillance balloons at least the first

810
00:33:27,830 --> 00:33:25,320
one I am

811
00:33:30,110 --> 00:33:27,840
quite likely to believe that that was a

812
00:33:31,210 --> 00:33:30,120
Chinese Bible in

813
00:33:33,470 --> 00:33:31,220
um they say It was a commercial

814
00:33:35,149 --> 00:33:33,480
meteorological balloon day it's probably

815
00:33:37,610 --> 00:33:35,159
a spider

816
00:33:39,649 --> 00:33:37,620
but the next three it's it is very odd

817
00:33:42,169 --> 00:33:39,659
and

818
00:33:46,190 --> 00:33:42,179
I could easily see this being just pure

819
00:33:48,110 --> 00:33:46,200
Optics as a way to ramp up tensions with

820
00:33:49,310 --> 00:33:48,120
those individuals on the other side of

821
00:33:50,570 --> 00:33:49,320
the world

822
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:50,580
China

823
00:33:53,930 --> 00:33:52,559
I think that's what very likely is

824
00:33:56,269 --> 00:33:53,940
happening

825
00:33:59,750 --> 00:33:56,279
if um

826
00:34:02,450 --> 00:33:59,760
China responded or did a press release

827
00:34:07,490 --> 00:34:02,460
two days ago I'm sure you saw it that

828
00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:07,500
they now have their own UFO slash uh spy

829
00:34:13,790 --> 00:34:11,520
balloon uh cruising uh past Beijing and

830
00:34:16,369 --> 00:34:13,800
they they have determined that they were

831
00:34:18,770 --> 00:34:16,379
going to shoot it down right and you

832
00:34:21,230 --> 00:34:18,780
know a little tit for Tad thing

833
00:34:23,329 --> 00:34:21,240
um they responded to us that it was a

834
00:34:25,310 --> 00:34:23,339
commercial weather balloon and this is

835
00:34:27,950 --> 00:34:25,320
wrong and we should shouldn't have shot

836
00:34:29,270 --> 00:34:27,960
it down are we going to say anything if

837
00:34:31,149 --> 00:34:29,280
this turns out to be one of our

838
00:34:33,710 --> 00:34:31,159
surveillance balloons

839
00:34:35,570 --> 00:34:33,720
I'm sure he won't and the American

840
00:34:38,510 --> 00:34:35,580
people will never hear about it yeah

841
00:34:40,970 --> 00:34:38,520
yeah I mean we won't give her crap China

842
00:34:42,649 --> 00:34:40,980
said that uh I mean who knows what's

843
00:34:44,990 --> 00:34:42,659
true and what's not true but China said

844
00:34:48,530 --> 00:34:45,000
a few days ago that in the past 12

845
00:34:50,329 --> 00:34:48,540
months that they had tracked 10 U.S

846
00:34:52,849 --> 00:34:50,339
spyballoons over their country

847
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:52,859
did they really I don't know could they

848
00:34:56,030 --> 00:34:54,720
have sure of course they could have

849
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:56,040
I don't know if that's what the US

850
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:58,800
really does but I wouldn't see it as

851
00:35:02,270 --> 00:35:00,960
impossible yeah like I said balloons

852
00:35:05,570 --> 00:35:02,280
could be useful they're more useful than

853
00:35:08,450 --> 00:35:05,580
we than we may have realized or up in um

854
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:08,460
in Seattle at the Boeing uh Factory they

855
00:35:12,349 --> 00:35:10,560
have the Boeing Museum it's

856
00:35:14,990 --> 00:35:12,359
freaking incredible but one of the

857
00:35:18,109 --> 00:35:15,000
things that they have at that Air Museum

858
00:35:19,790 --> 00:35:18,119
is they have an SR-71 we've all seen

859
00:35:22,190 --> 00:35:19,800
them I've got a couple down the street I

860
00:35:23,630 --> 00:35:22,200
drive past them all the time now but

861
00:35:25,849 --> 00:35:23,640
back then it was pretty special to me

862
00:35:27,290 --> 00:35:25,859
right it's kind of a rare thing so I go

863
00:35:31,010 --> 00:35:27,300
to the museum and there it is but that

864
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:31,020
wasn't what caught my eye Richard next

865
00:35:37,970 --> 00:35:35,520
to it was the Drone the stealth drone

866
00:35:41,930 --> 00:35:37,980
that was built to Launch

867
00:35:44,210 --> 00:35:41,940
off of the SR-71 and the 60s I at the

868
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:44,220
time I had never heard of it so I go and

869
00:35:49,130 --> 00:35:46,560
I look it looks like a miniature SR-71

870
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:49,140
I'll come up with the name of it here in

871
00:35:52,430 --> 00:35:51,359
a second as you respond to this I'll

872
00:35:54,589 --> 00:35:52,440
look it up

873
00:35:56,870 --> 00:35:54,599
um but it wasn't that it was the little

874
00:35:59,569 --> 00:35:56,880
placard underneath it right as I'm

875
00:36:00,770 --> 00:35:59,579
reading it and it said something like

876
00:36:03,589 --> 00:36:00,780
this

877
00:36:08,210 --> 00:36:03,599
the stealth spy drone the United States

878
00:36:12,589 --> 00:36:08,220
built to fly over mainland China right

879
00:36:16,490 --> 00:36:12,599
there it is right and it's it's not like

880
00:36:19,370 --> 00:36:16,500
this is all something new you know we we

881
00:36:23,089 --> 00:36:19,380
figured that uh we would take the SR-71

882
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:23,099
get close make a U-turn but let this

883
00:36:29,450 --> 00:36:26,640
little guy keep going right across China

884
00:36:32,569 --> 00:36:29,460
and and that was in the 60s but it

885
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:32,579
literally it didn't say Russia right it

886
00:36:37,550 --> 00:36:34,400
didn't say it did there was a chance

887
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:37,560
North Korea right it did say Vietnam

888
00:36:44,750 --> 00:36:42,240
right it said mainland China interesting

889
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:44,760
yeah no surprise

890
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:47,520
because this is the game that every look

891
00:36:55,550 --> 00:36:50,640
we grew up remember Mad Magazine spy

892
00:36:57,530 --> 00:36:55,560
versus spy all about the Cold War and in

893
00:36:58,790 --> 00:36:57,540
everyone who's listening for as long as

894
00:37:01,910 --> 00:36:58,800
everyone listening has been alive

895
00:37:04,190 --> 00:37:01,920
there's been Nations spying on each

896
00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:04,200
other and long after we are gone there

897
00:37:08,990 --> 00:37:06,960
will be Nations spying on each other

898
00:37:10,069 --> 00:37:09,000
that is the rule it's never going to

899
00:37:12,890 --> 00:37:10,079
stop

900
00:37:15,470 --> 00:37:12,900
this is our world so China will spy in

901
00:37:17,950 --> 00:37:15,480
the US the US will spy in China and just

902
00:37:21,710 --> 00:37:17,960
like the general

903
00:37:23,690 --> 00:37:21,720
uh Alexis grinkowicz who said I'm not

904
00:37:25,849 --> 00:37:23,700
losing any sleep over it

905
00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:25,859
uh I'm not saying it's not a threat I'm

906
00:37:28,970 --> 00:37:27,359
not saying that you shouldn't be worried

907
00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:28,980
about Espionage of another country of

908
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:30,960
course it's an issue but the fact is

909
00:37:35,569 --> 00:37:33,839
it's very widespread and it's been going

910
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:35,579
on for a long time and this was not

911
00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:37,440
something that people were making

912
00:37:42,589 --> 00:37:39,599
literally a federal case out of uh every

913
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:42,599
single time you can't you can't every

914
00:37:46,250 --> 00:37:45,119
time you catch someone doing some nasty

915
00:37:48,230 --> 00:37:46,260
business in your country are you going

916
00:37:53,650 --> 00:37:48,240
to go to war every time it's not how

917
00:38:02,210 --> 00:37:59,210
that's the D21 wow drone yeah isn't that

918
00:38:03,710 --> 00:38:02,220
crazy and you know we always think of

919
00:38:05,930 --> 00:38:03,720
drones

920
00:38:10,849 --> 00:38:05,940
um it looks just as elegant doesn't it

921
00:38:14,210 --> 00:38:10,859
as the SR-71 yes oh man and so we think

922
00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:14,220
about this all the time uh uh you know

923
00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:17,280
drones being some something from you

924
00:38:22,490 --> 00:38:19,440
know the 2000s or the two you know this

925
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:22,500
is some modern technology but uh there

926
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:25,200
it is you know and I I stood right next

927
00:38:30,589 --> 00:38:27,599
to it it was uh it's a pretty crazy

928
00:38:32,450 --> 00:38:30,599
thing to see how large is that when

929
00:38:36,770 --> 00:38:32,460
you're standing next time I would say it

930
00:38:38,810 --> 00:38:36,780
was uh uh well I can I actually have

931
00:38:41,390 --> 00:38:38,820
that data here would you like that data

932
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:41,400
Richard yeah okay here we go here we go

933
00:38:47,470 --> 00:38:43,440
as big as a truck is it as big as it

934
00:38:49,210 --> 00:38:47,480
what what is it as big as okay it was

935
00:38:53,810 --> 00:38:49,220
originally

936
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:53,820
it was retired in 1971 they built 38 of

937
00:38:58,849 --> 00:38:55,680
them

938
00:39:01,970 --> 00:38:58,859
um uh built to be launched off of the

939
00:39:06,530 --> 00:39:01,980
Lockheed a112 and SR-71 the Drone had a

940
00:39:08,569 --> 00:39:06,540
maximum speed of mach 3.3 cool right

941
00:39:12,530 --> 00:39:08,579
okay

942
00:39:14,109 --> 00:39:12,540
um operational altitude of 90

943
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:14,119
000 feet

944
00:39:22,910 --> 00:39:20,400
uh uh 1962 right 1962 that's crazy uh

945
00:39:25,970 --> 00:39:22,920
Lockheed blah blah blah blah blah and

946
00:39:27,050 --> 00:39:25,980
now let me get the dimensions of this

947
00:39:29,150 --> 00:39:27,060
dude

948
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:29,160
design and development if I don't pull

949
00:39:35,630 --> 00:39:32,640
this up in like the next few seconds

950
00:39:37,910 --> 00:39:35,640
um we will move on

951
00:39:40,250 --> 00:39:37,920
all right I'll see if I can uh pull this

952
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:40,260
up I've got all the speeds here there's

953
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:41,760
always the break I didn't want to put

954
00:39:46,910 --> 00:39:43,440
you onto a whole wild goose chase there

955
00:39:49,490 --> 00:39:46,920
yeah but but it's just so interesting

956
00:39:51,950 --> 00:39:49,500
how suddenly all of this has become an

957
00:39:55,250 --> 00:39:51,960
issue when you're right Mad Magazine in

958
00:39:57,650 --> 00:39:55,260
spy versus spy has been covering this in

959
00:39:59,390 --> 00:39:57,660
in elementary schools Across America for

960
00:40:02,150 --> 00:39:59,400
the last 50 years

961
00:40:03,829 --> 00:40:02,160
yeah I mean even more it's so

962
00:40:06,109 --> 00:40:03,839
I I just think that what we're looking

963
00:40:08,450 --> 00:40:06,119
at this is this is something that

964
00:40:10,609 --> 00:40:08,460
doesn't make the United States look good

965
00:40:13,790 --> 00:40:10,619
I honestly I really think this is not a

966
00:40:15,290 --> 00:40:13,800
good look for the United States what is

967
00:40:17,569 --> 00:40:15,300
in a good look

968
00:40:19,550 --> 00:40:17,579
you got the military scrambling around

969
00:40:21,470 --> 00:40:19,560
to shoot a bunch of balloons out of the

970
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:21,480
sky right

971
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:23,520
you take foreign diplomats in other

972
00:40:26,750 --> 00:40:25,680
countries aren't like chuckling a little

973
00:40:29,089 --> 00:40:26,760
bit

974
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:29,099
as the U.S basically splashes around

975
00:40:32,810 --> 00:40:31,200
like a man drowning in the ocean like oh

976
00:40:35,810 --> 00:40:32,820
my God another balloon gotta shoot this

977
00:40:37,609 --> 00:40:35,820
down right it's not it's not a good look

978
00:40:38,690 --> 00:40:37,619
I'm just going to say that I just don't

979
00:40:40,010 --> 00:40:38,700
think it's

980
00:40:41,810 --> 00:40:40,020
you were supposed to be the world's

981
00:40:44,210 --> 00:40:41,820
greatest superpower we can't we cannot

982
00:40:46,550 --> 00:40:44,220
monitor our own airspace nope apparently

983
00:40:50,569 --> 00:40:46,560
not not from balloons

984
00:40:52,730 --> 00:40:50,579
does Russia and China because you know

985
00:40:54,890 --> 00:40:52,740
that stuff is flying over there all of

986
00:40:56,810 --> 00:40:54,900
the time being launched on both sides of

987
00:40:58,910 --> 00:40:56,820
their countries

988
00:41:01,250 --> 00:40:58,920
um to monitor their airspace are they

989
00:41:03,530 --> 00:41:01,260
just letting those balloons go and

990
00:41:05,810 --> 00:41:03,540
they're not doing anything about it good

991
00:41:07,310 --> 00:41:05,820
question I don't know

992
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:07,320
I do not know

993
00:41:10,970 --> 00:41:09,599
I mean this is not something that really

994
00:41:13,250 --> 00:41:10,980
I don't think any of us were really

995
00:41:16,069 --> 00:41:13,260
thinking about before a week ago

996
00:41:18,890 --> 00:41:16,079
I wasn't I wasn't thinking about balloon

997
00:41:20,750 --> 00:41:18,900
balloon Espionage I have to admit so I I

998
00:41:24,170 --> 00:41:20,760
don't know I've still not figured out

999
00:41:26,270 --> 00:41:24,180
how serious a problem is this

1000
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:26,280
I know that in the 50s and 60s because I

1001
00:41:29,870 --> 00:41:27,599
looked into this

1002
00:41:31,849 --> 00:41:29,880
the United States did send hundreds of

1003
00:41:33,710 --> 00:41:31,859
balloons Aloft over the Soviet Union for

1004
00:41:35,630 --> 00:41:33,720
purposes of espionage

1005
00:41:38,569 --> 00:41:35,640
and that the Russians the Soviets did

1006
00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:38,579
the same thing over West Germany over

1007
00:41:41,930 --> 00:41:40,800
NATO during the same period of time it

1008
00:41:45,109 --> 00:41:41,940
was common

1009
00:41:47,089 --> 00:41:45,119
I didn't have the idea that it was still

1010
00:41:48,770 --> 00:41:47,099
common today but apparently I was wrong

1011
00:41:53,089 --> 00:41:48,780
I mean

1012
00:41:55,550 --> 00:41:53,099
engaged in Espionage they probably were

1013
00:41:57,470 --> 00:41:55,560
we actually don't know for a fact they

1014
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:57,480
they keep denying it of course they're

1015
00:42:01,130 --> 00:41:59,520
going to deny it let's assume that it

1016
00:42:02,569 --> 00:42:01,140
was a spy balloon but we really don't

1017
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:02,579
know

1018
00:42:08,089 --> 00:42:05,760
so I'm going to assume it was

1019
00:42:10,190 --> 00:42:08,099
we don't really have the information

1020
00:42:12,170 --> 00:42:10,200
and if

1021
00:42:15,829 --> 00:42:12,180
um okay I mean the United States has

1022
00:42:19,010 --> 00:42:15,839
made many many false claims it's just in

1023
00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:19,020
the last couple of years ago how did you

1024
00:42:23,690 --> 00:42:21,599
take the words out of my mouth how did

1025
00:42:24,910 --> 00:42:23,700
you do that did you that was just that

1026
00:42:28,910 --> 00:42:24,920
was bad

1027
00:42:31,370 --> 00:42:28,920
so if you're not going to

1028
00:42:33,770 --> 00:42:31,380
it's like did the tree fall in the woods

1029
00:42:35,569 --> 00:42:33,780
right if you're not going to produce any

1030
00:42:37,849 --> 00:42:35,579
photographs or videos you're not going

1031
00:42:40,130 --> 00:42:37,859
to produce any debris and you're saying

1032
00:42:43,250 --> 00:42:40,140
that that's never happened did anything

1033
00:42:45,910 --> 00:42:43,260
get shot down in the first place

1034
00:42:48,410 --> 00:42:45,920
well the first balloon

1035
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:48,420
this weekend the three no we've

1036
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:51,119
recovered that debris okay we get that

1037
00:42:55,550 --> 00:42:53,280
everybody saw that that's your octagonal

1038
00:42:58,450 --> 00:42:55,560
shape I heard did I hear Tic Tac did

1039
00:43:02,569 --> 00:42:58,460
someone say it was a bad shape

1040
00:43:04,730 --> 00:43:02,579
one was the size of a small car I

1041
00:43:06,010 --> 00:43:04,740
haven't heard them say whether it was a

1042
00:43:09,589 --> 00:43:06,020
Hugo

1043
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:09,599
or a Volkswagen Bug what what is small

1044
00:43:12,770 --> 00:43:11,520
in that description but a balloon there

1045
00:43:15,710 --> 00:43:12,780
are weather balloons that are the size

1046
00:43:17,030 --> 00:43:15,720
of a small car the second one was a

1047
00:43:19,550 --> 00:43:17,040
cylinder

1048
00:43:21,410 --> 00:43:19,560
right nobody's giving us Colors by the

1049
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:21,420
way so the first one that was a small

1050
00:43:26,030 --> 00:43:23,760
car was it white could it be Tick Tock

1051
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:26,040
more performance capabilities like we're

1052
00:43:29,569 --> 00:43:27,839
not I I'm not hearing if they're

1053
00:43:31,790 --> 00:43:29,579
maneuvering or doing anything like that

1054
00:43:33,950 --> 00:43:31,800
you know I can get a thing about that

1055
00:43:38,690 --> 00:43:33,960
the second one was the cylinder the

1056
00:43:41,630 --> 00:43:38,700
third one was the Octagon now is octagon

1057
00:43:45,349 --> 00:43:41,640
uh was it something flat with the stop

1058
00:43:49,609 --> 00:43:45,359
sign shape or was it a geodesic dome

1059
00:43:51,410 --> 00:43:49,619
octagon kind of shape is that possible I

1060
00:43:53,089 --> 00:43:51,420
don't know well that's a good question

1061
00:43:55,309 --> 00:43:53,099
though that's a really good question you

1062
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:55,319
know what if it was what if it's uh like

1063
00:44:00,589 --> 00:43:58,319
a it's got two halves to it and the

1064
00:44:03,410 --> 00:44:00,599
first top has got four sides in the

1065
00:44:07,250 --> 00:44:03,420
bottom part it's got four sides because

1066
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:07,260
uh you see that shielding a radar

1067
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:09,839
antenna right you see the domes around

1068
00:44:13,970 --> 00:44:12,240
the radar antenna and then the radar

1069
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:13,980
antenna is protected on the inside of it

1070
00:44:17,569 --> 00:44:16,319
and it's doing its thing okay

1071
00:44:20,809 --> 00:44:17,579
um could it have been something like

1072
00:44:22,970 --> 00:44:20,819
that but there was some type of uh you

1073
00:44:25,490 --> 00:44:22,980
know electronic equipment inside of some

1074
00:44:27,410 --> 00:44:25,500
type of you know we've heard octagon

1075
00:44:29,630 --> 00:44:27,420
what I don't even know what that means

1076
00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:29,640
but it's possible I mean we we really

1077
00:44:34,069 --> 00:44:31,920
were given nothing to work with here

1078
00:44:36,589 --> 00:44:34,079
it was just being told

1079
00:44:38,329 --> 00:44:36,599
that our military is on top of this

1080
00:44:39,890 --> 00:44:38,339
we're sending up those f-22s with our

1081
00:44:41,809 --> 00:44:39,900
missiles and we're going to shoot those

1082
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:41,819
balloons down

1083
00:44:45,710 --> 00:44:43,440
someone said to me that I was being kind

1084
00:44:47,450 --> 00:44:45,720
of unfair because last night I did I

1085
00:44:49,790 --> 00:44:47,460
kind of made fun like like you know

1086
00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:49,800
we're doing here you're setting up

1087
00:44:55,730 --> 00:44:53,760
an F-22 with a Sidewinder or some kind

1088
00:44:58,910 --> 00:44:55,740
of missile to take down a balloon it's

1089
00:45:00,650 --> 00:44:58,920
it's like using you know a hammer to

1090
00:45:02,569 --> 00:45:00,660
kill an ant like really that's how

1091
00:45:04,670 --> 00:45:02,579
you're gonna do this but but someone

1092
00:45:06,050 --> 00:45:04,680
said look they're just following

1093
00:45:08,089 --> 00:45:06,060
procedures I think they were talking

1094
00:45:09,770 --> 00:45:08,099
about the Canadian one where uh I think

1095
00:45:12,589 --> 00:45:09,780
it was an F-22 that shot down the object

1096
00:45:15,290 --> 00:45:12,599
over Canada and I I was making fun of it

1097
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:15,300
but someone said look it's just standard

1098
00:45:18,890 --> 00:45:17,040
operating procedure you have a violation

1099
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:18,900
of airspace and something that has to be

1100
00:45:23,809 --> 00:45:21,839
uh dealt with you get the aircraft

1101
00:45:25,250 --> 00:45:23,819
that's in the nearest vicinity that can

1102
00:45:27,950 --> 00:45:25,260
do the job and

1103
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:27,960
I guess it was an F-22

1104
00:45:33,710 --> 00:45:29,520
.

1105
00:45:36,290 --> 00:45:33,720
he said uh this is the Octagon one was

1106
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:36,300
rotating it was reported by the pilot

1107
00:45:41,089 --> 00:45:38,640
and I did get some email earlier today

1108
00:45:44,750 --> 00:45:41,099
that Ross Culvert

1109
00:45:46,670 --> 00:45:44,760
um uh read a transcript back uh from uh

1110
00:45:49,609 --> 00:45:46,680
some radio chatter from the pilot with

1111
00:45:52,730 --> 00:45:49,619
the Octagon I haven't read it okay

1112
00:45:55,250 --> 00:45:52,740
um but I would like to see that and and

1113
00:45:57,530 --> 00:45:55,260
I can reach out to Ross uh and so can

1114
00:45:59,750 --> 00:45:57,540
you and we'll see if we can get some

1115
00:46:01,190 --> 00:45:59,760
more on that these these may not have I

1116
00:46:02,750 --> 00:46:01,200
mean maybe they don't have anything to

1117
00:46:06,530 --> 00:46:02,760
do with China

1118
00:46:08,930 --> 00:46:06,540
I mean there are lots of privately

1119
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:08,940
uh private balloons at a set Aloft

1120
00:46:13,069 --> 00:46:11,040
private drones that are set Aloft

1121
00:46:15,230 --> 00:46:13,079
there's really no reason to think that

1122
00:46:17,569 --> 00:46:15,240
all of these are from China we are told

1123
00:46:20,210 --> 00:46:17,579
that the first one was from China and

1124
00:46:22,730 --> 00:46:20,220
China I believe that man China didn't

1125
00:46:24,589 --> 00:46:22,740
say anything about these other three and

1126
00:46:26,210 --> 00:46:24,599
I found that pretty you know you kind of

1127
00:46:28,069 --> 00:46:26,220
got to take a mental note of that they

1128
00:46:29,930 --> 00:46:28,079
didn't know so we there's we're just

1129
00:46:34,609 --> 00:46:29,940
working off a lot of blind

1130
00:46:35,569 --> 00:46:34,619
I I have to think that again like rule

1131
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:35,579
number one

1132
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:38,400
do not trust what comes out of the

1133
00:46:43,130 --> 00:46:40,319
mouths of the Washington establishment

1134
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:43,140
I'm I know it sounds cynical but

1135
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:45,119
I think if if you follow if we follow

1136
00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:48,000
that rule we unlikely to go wrong

1137
00:46:52,430 --> 00:46:50,400
they're not honest

1138
00:46:53,930 --> 00:46:52,440
they're almost they're pathological in

1139
00:46:55,250 --> 00:46:53,940
their dishonesty

1140
00:46:57,890 --> 00:46:55,260
so

1141
00:47:01,790 --> 00:46:57,900
there's a lot of dishonesty in there

1142
00:47:03,829 --> 00:47:01,800
okay I I don't wanna I I I I want to

1143
00:47:05,569 --> 00:47:03,839
have the discussion uh because you're

1144
00:47:08,750 --> 00:47:05,579
one of the experts on this about false

1145
00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:08,760
flags and you and I

1146
00:47:13,550 --> 00:47:11,520
um over the years have talked you've you

1147
00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:13,560
know this is this is your wheelhouse but

1148
00:47:19,370 --> 00:47:15,839
you and I have talked a lot about this

1149
00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:19,380
both publicly and privately and I have

1150
00:47:24,410 --> 00:47:22,319
always uh I'll just remind you of my

1151
00:47:26,750 --> 00:47:24,420
point of view that if there was going to

1152
00:47:28,910 --> 00:47:26,760
be a UFO false flag it wouldn't be over

1153
00:47:31,490 --> 00:47:28,920
a populated area it would be out in the

1154
00:47:34,069 --> 00:47:31,500
middle of the ocean we shot down a UFO

1155
00:47:35,690 --> 00:47:34,079
where nobody can see it right so that's

1156
00:47:38,270 --> 00:47:35,700
why you would have the false flag out

1157
00:47:40,010 --> 00:47:38,280
there nobody can see it and now the what

1158
00:47:42,770 --> 00:47:40,020
would be the purpose of such a false

1159
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:42,780
flag because then you can say whatever

1160
00:47:47,569 --> 00:47:44,640
you want you could say whatever you want

1161
00:47:50,270 --> 00:47:47,579
it you can make up any story if there's

1162
00:47:52,930 --> 00:47:50,280
no way you can't have a UFO false flag

1163
00:47:55,970 --> 00:47:52,940
over in New York City

1164
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:55,980
can you have a UFO false flag that no

1165
00:48:01,490 --> 00:47:57,839
one sees the UFO is that really going to

1166
00:48:05,089 --> 00:48:01,500
work uh that's why I I we're doing it

1167
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:05,099
now aren't we not really who believes

1168
00:48:12,170 --> 00:48:07,920
that these are actual UFOs well until

1169
00:48:14,510 --> 00:48:12,180
and did we oh this is my point though

1170
00:48:18,109 --> 00:48:14,520
um I'm not suggesting the false Flags

1171
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:18,119
scenario over this weekend but if you're

1172
00:48:23,569 --> 00:48:20,880
going to do it do it without any

1173
00:48:26,569 --> 00:48:23,579
evidence being produced uh do it without

1174
00:48:30,410 --> 00:48:26,579
any debris being produced any images any

1175
00:48:34,430 --> 00:48:30,420
radar data nothing but your word that

1176
00:48:36,170 --> 00:48:34,440
these incidents occurred and and you

1177
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:36,180
know and so if you're going to do that

1178
00:48:42,349 --> 00:48:39,839
right and possibly like you said you

1179
00:48:45,470 --> 00:48:42,359
know wind up China wind up in

1180
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:45,480
adversarial uh position on this

1181
00:48:50,210 --> 00:48:48,240
um it's it's the perfect way to do it so

1182
00:48:52,430 --> 00:48:50,220
here's why it you could do a false flag

1183
00:48:54,290 --> 00:48:52,440
like that and maybe convince part of

1184
00:48:57,050 --> 00:48:54,300
your own population they'll be willing

1185
00:48:58,910 --> 00:48:57,060
to believe it but you got a whole world

1186
00:49:01,130 --> 00:48:58,920
out there and you have

1187
00:49:03,290 --> 00:49:01,140
foreign diplomats

1188
00:49:06,290 --> 00:49:03,300
they're not stupid most of them like

1189
00:49:08,450 --> 00:49:06,300
they're pretty smart people uh

1190
00:49:10,970 --> 00:49:08,460
the Chinese foreign Ministry the Russian

1191
00:49:14,270 --> 00:49:10,980
foreign Ministry the foreign ministries

1192
00:49:16,910 --> 00:49:14,280
of Africa or of the other nations of

1193
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:16,920
Asia India do you really think they're

1194
00:49:21,550 --> 00:49:18,720
going to be like oh wow America shot

1195
00:49:24,170 --> 00:49:21,560
down a flying saucer I don't think so

1196
00:49:26,510 --> 00:49:24,180
on America's word

1197
00:49:28,250 --> 00:49:26,520
Saudi Arabia Muhammad bin Salman of

1198
00:49:30,349 --> 00:49:28,260
Saudi Arabia do you really think he's

1199
00:49:32,809 --> 00:49:30,359
going to believe if Joe Biden makes an

1200
00:49:34,550 --> 00:49:32,819
announcement that we shut down a UFO

1201
00:49:38,089 --> 00:49:34,560
over the Pacific Ocean

1202
00:49:40,069 --> 00:49:38,099
really I I think there's not a lot of

1203
00:49:41,750 --> 00:49:40,079
credibility that would be coming out of

1204
00:49:42,650 --> 00:49:41,760
Washington on that matter and I don't

1205
00:49:46,910 --> 00:49:42,660
think

1206
00:49:48,349 --> 00:49:46,920
the rest of the world is just going to

1207
00:49:50,329 --> 00:49:48,359
take America's word for something just

1208
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:50,339
because America says so they're going to

1209
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:51,839
want to see something

1210
00:49:56,990 --> 00:49:54,720
I I don't I don't think that kind of a

1211
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:57,000
false flag is is necessarily going to

1212
00:50:04,569 --> 00:49:59,520
work I mean yes America does dominate

1213
00:50:07,569 --> 00:50:04,579
the global media for the most part but

1214
00:50:11,750 --> 00:50:07,579
there are people like

1215
00:50:13,370 --> 00:50:11,760
well educated smart people who are in

1216
00:50:14,569 --> 00:50:13,380
the business they're in the business of

1217
00:50:16,250 --> 00:50:14,579
diplomacy they deal with the United

1218
00:50:17,930 --> 00:50:16,260
States

1219
00:50:19,130 --> 00:50:17,940
in the intelligence Community they're

1220
00:50:22,670 --> 00:50:19,140
going to know

1221
00:50:23,390 --> 00:50:22,680
going to be that easy to fool them on

1222
00:50:25,849 --> 00:50:23,400
that

1223
00:50:28,609 --> 00:50:25,859
false flags do happen

1224
00:50:31,550 --> 00:50:28,619
but they that kind of a false like an

1225
00:50:36,050 --> 00:50:31,560
alien false flag I've I have just never

1226
00:50:38,030 --> 00:50:36,060
found a way that someone can create a

1227
00:50:39,950 --> 00:50:38,040
plausible alien false flag scenario to

1228
00:50:42,410 --> 00:50:39,960
me to make it work well what you're

1229
00:50:44,210 --> 00:50:42,420
describing is maybe better what you're

1230
00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:44,220
describing is actually a better scenario

1231
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:46,319
than you know something like

1232
00:50:49,730 --> 00:50:48,240
Independence Day right you know some

1233
00:50:51,410 --> 00:50:49,740
holographic projection I I would agree

1234
00:50:53,450 --> 00:50:51,420
with that but I I don't think it's good

1235
00:50:57,049 --> 00:50:53,460
enough to work I just I can't see it

1236
00:50:58,569 --> 00:50:57,059
happening it's a big ask of the

1237
00:51:01,549 --> 00:50:58,579
international

1238
00:51:03,170 --> 00:51:01,559
diplomatic core and all the other people

1239
00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:03,180
out in the world who are

1240
00:51:08,030 --> 00:51:05,760
becoming very reserved about the United

1241
00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:08,040
States U.S is losing a lot of

1242
00:51:11,089 --> 00:51:09,599
last couple years they're losing India

1243
00:51:12,230 --> 00:51:11,099
losing Saudi Arabia they're losing

1244
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:12,240
turkey

1245
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:15,119
this is a serious serious International

1246
00:51:19,790 --> 00:51:17,520
realignment that's happening as we speak

1247
00:51:22,910 --> 00:51:19,800
we've lost them before

1248
00:51:25,250 --> 00:51:22,920
it's like The Godfather we no we have

1249
00:51:28,130 --> 00:51:25,260
not lost Saudi Arabia before and we have

1250
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:28,140
not lost turkey before they hear but he

1251
00:51:34,730 --> 00:51:30,720
hears it's very significant here here's

1252
00:51:37,069 --> 00:51:34,740
my take with that though if if the

1253
00:51:38,890 --> 00:51:37,079
president of the United States

1254
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:38,900
whoever it is

1255
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:42,720
literally crossed if there's a red line

1256
00:51:49,309 --> 00:51:47,280
right and crossed the line and says we

1257
00:51:52,670 --> 00:51:49,319
shot down a flying saucer not of this

1258
00:51:56,109 --> 00:51:52,680
world right I uh man I'm not so sure

1259
00:51:58,609 --> 00:51:56,119
that people wouldn't uh pay attention

1260
00:52:00,170 --> 00:51:58,619
we would all pay attention if you're

1261
00:52:02,990 --> 00:52:00,180
never going to be looking if you're

1262
00:52:06,410 --> 00:52:03,000
gonna cry what are you suggesting that

1263
00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:06,420
they're most of the uh State actors and

1264
00:52:10,750 --> 00:52:08,400
population of the world would go I don't

1265
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:10,760
believe it I'm not

1266
00:52:15,049 --> 00:52:13,680
it all depends on how the information is

1267
00:52:17,450 --> 00:52:15,059
presented

1268
00:52:20,510 --> 00:52:17,460
I'm saying without any information no

1269
00:52:21,950 --> 00:52:20,520
video no nothing nothing shut down

1270
00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:21,960
you're gonna wait over the Atlantic

1271
00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:24,240
Ocean I think

1272
00:52:28,970 --> 00:52:26,640
this is not like Ronald Reagan's America

1273
00:52:31,010 --> 00:52:28,980
this is not Bill Clinton's America this

1274
00:52:33,710 --> 00:52:31,020
is a different world and it's there's

1275
00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:33,720
been as I say a major realignment and I

1276
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:34,800
don't think

1277
00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:36,720
the United States wouldn't just say we

1278
00:52:40,609 --> 00:52:38,880
shot down a flying saucer trust us

1279
00:52:42,349 --> 00:52:40,619
that's not going to work

1280
00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:42,359
they're going to have to produce

1281
00:52:47,870 --> 00:52:43,200
something

1282
00:52:50,569 --> 00:52:47,880
okay so back to my point which is point

1283
00:52:52,030 --> 00:52:50,579
number one with that because I agree

1284
00:52:57,710 --> 00:52:52,040
with you

1285
00:53:01,490 --> 00:52:57,720
why no photographic evidence and why no

1286
00:53:03,589 --> 00:53:01,500
debris on these last three things you're

1287
00:53:07,790 --> 00:53:03,599
making claims you're saying things we're

1288
00:53:09,770 --> 00:53:07,800
shooting missiles over our country over

1289
00:53:12,049 --> 00:53:09,780
Canada I don't know that I have an

1290
00:53:13,849 --> 00:53:12,059
answer I don't I don't I don't know that

1291
00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:13,859
I can answer that I just don't feel like

1292
00:53:20,530 --> 00:53:16,079
there's enough information for me I mean

1293
00:53:25,790 --> 00:53:23,569
don't trust anything I'm with you on

1294
00:53:28,069 --> 00:53:25,800
that yeah really we shouldn't yeah is

1295
00:53:30,170 --> 00:53:28,079
all of this just [\h__\h]

1296
00:53:32,690 --> 00:53:30,180
kind of yes it is

1297
00:53:33,650 --> 00:53:32,700
yeah basically and this statement by The

1298
00:53:35,450 --> 00:53:33,660
General

1299
00:53:38,030 --> 00:53:35,460
well we can't rule out aliens I remember

1300
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:38,040
that so someone asked him oh you did

1301
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:41,280
here yeah yeah yeah so he was asked uh

1302
00:53:45,530 --> 00:53:43,440
could this be genuine UFOs or aliens and

1303
00:53:47,349 --> 00:53:45,540
I think I think what he said I read the

1304
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:47,359
quote I didn't hear it I think he said

1305
00:53:51,290 --> 00:53:49,680
I'm not ruling anything out I'm giving

1306
00:53:52,210 --> 00:53:51,300
that to intelligence so let them figure

1307
00:53:54,589 --> 00:53:52,220
it out

1308
00:53:56,569 --> 00:53:54,599
yeah that was what he said after you're

1309
00:53:59,329 --> 00:53:56,579
right no he said I cannot I cannot say

1310
00:54:01,790 --> 00:53:59,339
it it was an alien I don't think that

1311
00:54:04,849 --> 00:54:01,800
the intelligence I don't think he was

1312
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:04,859
saying like wink wink it's aliens I just

1313
00:54:10,609 --> 00:54:07,680
don't I don't read it that way I think

1314
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:10,619
he was just you know his rule is I'm not

1315
00:54:16,370 --> 00:54:12,960
here to speculate we're ruling nothing

1316
00:54:18,170 --> 00:54:16,380
out there it's like he's got his script

1317
00:54:20,510 --> 00:54:18,180
You Will Rule nothing out you're not

1318
00:54:22,970 --> 00:54:20,520
going to answer any like I I'm sure this

1319
00:54:25,730 --> 00:54:22,980
is very micromanaged and so he's just

1320
00:54:27,710 --> 00:54:25,740
probably performing the script that

1321
00:54:30,770 --> 00:54:27,720
doesn't mean that he's saying oh yeah

1322
00:54:32,750 --> 00:54:30,780
wink wink people it's I'm not saying

1323
00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:32,760
it's not I'm not saying it's aliens but

1324
00:54:35,089 --> 00:54:34,319
it's aliens I don't think he's doing

1325
00:54:37,069 --> 00:54:35,099
that

1326
00:54:39,410 --> 00:54:37,079
I think

1327
00:54:42,829 --> 00:54:39,420
now but but

1328
00:54:44,569 --> 00:54:42,839
there is this other kind of really nasty

1329
00:54:46,130 --> 00:54:44,579
element to this whole thing about

1330
00:54:47,870 --> 00:54:46,140
bringing in UFOs when we're talking

1331
00:54:50,210 --> 00:54:47,880
about balloons and things like that the

1332
00:54:52,010 --> 00:54:50,220
question is why this is this is quite

1333
00:54:55,250 --> 00:54:52,020
significant in my opinion because what

1334
00:54:58,190 --> 00:54:55,260
we are seeing is a further twisting by

1335
00:55:00,170 --> 00:54:58,200
the establishment of of what UFOs

1336
00:55:02,690 --> 00:55:00,180
actually are

1337
00:55:05,089 --> 00:55:02,700
so they you know they've they've done

1338
00:55:07,010 --> 00:55:05,099
this for the whole history of UFOs you

1339
00:55:10,130 --> 00:55:07,020
know back 70 years ago they were calling

1340
00:55:12,230 --> 00:55:10,140
UFOs as mistaken balloons there's always

1341
00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:12,240
been this conflation now it's just a

1342
00:55:16,609 --> 00:55:14,160
balloon so now they're they're doing it

1343
00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:16,619
again they're talking about things that

1344
00:55:21,589 --> 00:55:19,200
are obvious balloons and conventional

1345
00:55:24,829 --> 00:55:21,599
objects and they're calling them UFOs

1346
00:55:26,690 --> 00:55:24,839
and the question is why is it laziness

1347
00:55:28,250 --> 00:55:26,700
on the part of the media that says well

1348
00:55:30,109 --> 00:55:28,260
people are into UFOs let's just throw

1349
00:55:34,250 --> 00:55:30,119
the word out there maybe that's part of

1350
00:55:37,069 --> 00:55:34,260
it or is there an element to

1351
00:55:38,150 --> 00:55:37,079
the cover-up let's just go there where

1352
00:55:40,790 --> 00:55:38,160
they're saying all right we're just

1353
00:55:42,650 --> 00:55:40,800
going to like manage we're going to

1354
00:55:44,990 --> 00:55:42,660
Rebrand this yet again

1355
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:45,000
and and we're going to just siphon all

1356
00:55:49,309 --> 00:55:47,280
of the value and meaning out of the

1357
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:49,319
actual phrase UFO

1358
00:55:53,809 --> 00:55:51,599
because there are real UFOs these are

1359
00:55:55,670 --> 00:55:53,819
not it we're going to siphon all meaning

1360
00:55:57,290 --> 00:55:55,680
out of it we're going to call these UFOs

1361
00:55:59,870 --> 00:55:57,300
and we're just going to continue

1362
00:56:02,630 --> 00:55:59,880
watering it down until the definition is

1363
00:56:04,730 --> 00:56:02,640
meaningless and I do think so there's

1364
00:56:08,329 --> 00:56:04,740
there's some of that going on it's just

1365
00:56:10,430 --> 00:56:08,339
some ESOP Fable right the boy who cried

1366
00:56:13,430 --> 00:56:10,440
wolf where the next time something like

1367
00:56:15,950 --> 00:56:13,440
this happens and it's the real thing the

1368
00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:15,960
government says something and we blow it

1369
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:18,720
off it's just the real thing happens all

1370
00:56:22,069 --> 00:56:20,640
the time there's constant military

1371
00:56:24,410 --> 00:56:22,079
engagements with these things and they

1372
00:56:27,530 --> 00:56:24,420
don't get any attention and press right

1373
00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:27,540
I go through um I go through Peter

1374
00:56:31,069 --> 00:56:29,280
Davenport's site the National UFO

1375
00:56:32,930 --> 00:56:31,079
Reporting Center I I talk it up all the

1376
00:56:36,290 --> 00:56:32,940
time I believe in that site it's a great

1377
00:56:37,670 --> 00:56:36,300
site and I acknowledge most of those are

1378
00:56:39,290 --> 00:56:37,680
raw reports they don't get follow-up

1379
00:56:41,089 --> 00:56:39,300
investigations but they're damned

1380
00:56:43,130 --> 00:56:41,099
interesting to read and you go through

1381
00:56:46,370 --> 00:56:43,140
that and you will find in any given Year

1382
00:56:48,770 --> 00:56:46,380
many witness accounts of [\h__\h]

1383
00:56:50,690 --> 00:56:48,780
interceptors Chasing UFOs

1384
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:50,700
it happens

1385
00:56:56,270 --> 00:56:53,040
and they don't get media attention

1386
00:56:58,849 --> 00:56:56,280
there are genuine cases of this kind of

1387
00:57:01,010 --> 00:56:58,859
thing happening of objects performing

1388
00:57:04,609 --> 00:57:01,020
incredible maneuverability

1389
00:57:06,829 --> 00:57:04,619
uh back in the 1940s and 50s and today

1390
00:57:08,510 --> 00:57:06,839
and you know engagements with the United

1391
00:57:12,349 --> 00:57:08,520
States military and other militaries

1392
00:57:13,970 --> 00:57:12,359
that happens those never get attention

1393
00:57:15,290 --> 00:57:13,980
and I don't see any reason why they're

1394
00:57:16,609 --> 00:57:15,300
going to get attention because those are

1395
00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:16,619
the real deal

1396
00:57:20,450 --> 00:57:18,720
so the you know anytime there's a

1397
00:57:22,190 --> 00:57:20,460
balloon and they want to call it a UFO

1398
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:22,200
that's a win for them

1399
00:57:26,750 --> 00:57:24,240
and that's a loss for us as if we let

1400
00:57:29,089 --> 00:57:26,760
that continue because they're watering

1401
00:57:31,970 --> 00:57:29,099
down and twisting the definition of

1402
00:57:34,670 --> 00:57:31,980
genuine UFOs just into nothingness no

1403
00:57:37,069 --> 00:57:34,680
but that's right and and for everybody

1404
00:57:39,770 --> 00:57:37,079
I'm going to give you a Shameless uh

1405
00:57:41,150 --> 00:57:39,780
plug here Richard I'll do it for you if

1406
00:57:44,450 --> 00:57:41,160
you haven't

1407
00:57:47,390 --> 00:57:44,460
go and get volume one and volume 2 of

1408
00:57:51,530 --> 00:57:47,400
UFOs in the National Security State and

1409
00:57:53,809 --> 00:57:51,540
if you go through uh volume one uh

1410
00:57:57,349 --> 00:57:53,819
Richard you can correct me but starts

1411
00:57:59,390 --> 00:57:57,359
around the 1947-ish there might be he

1412
00:58:00,950 --> 00:57:59,400
might step back into 46 on a couple of

1413
00:58:04,370 --> 00:58:00,960
things which was interesting but anyway

1414
00:58:08,410 --> 00:58:04,380
yeah World War II but yeah basically

1415
00:58:11,170 --> 00:58:08,420
yeah and and dances into the

1416
00:58:15,710 --> 00:58:11,180
1956-1957 era I don't think he gets into

1417
00:58:18,970 --> 00:58:15,720
1960. but if you oh okay

1418
00:58:23,809 --> 00:58:18,980
um but go and I'd like to think that I

1419
00:58:27,290 --> 00:58:23,819
know a lot the amount of U.S military

1420
00:58:29,870 --> 00:58:27,300
and U.S government uh observations and

1421
00:58:32,930 --> 00:58:29,880
encounters with UFOs through that period

1422
00:58:35,569 --> 00:58:32,940
that nobody has ever heard of nobody

1423
00:58:36,849 --> 00:58:35,579
nobody nobody and Richard you do it like

1424
00:58:40,609 --> 00:58:36,859
this

1425
00:58:44,150 --> 00:58:40,619
it's page after page you know and so go

1426
00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:44,160
and see that for yourself it's it's

1427
00:58:49,130 --> 00:58:46,559
pretty incredible so no that and and and

1428
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:49,140
and and when you read your descriptions

1429
00:58:52,910 --> 00:58:51,359
of of these events of what was going on

1430
00:58:55,069 --> 00:58:52,920
these were not weather balloons

1431
00:58:57,289 --> 00:58:55,079
obviously these were under intelligent

1432
00:58:58,789 --> 00:58:57,299
control thank you for that plug I

1433
00:59:01,609 --> 00:58:58,799
appreciate that

1434
00:59:03,170 --> 00:59:01,619
um uh yeah there's a lot of uh sightings

1435
00:59:05,630 --> 00:59:03,180
I remember when I put that first book

1436
00:59:08,150 --> 00:59:05,640
together it was in the mid late 90s

1437
00:59:09,950 --> 00:59:08,160
and as I said earlier that really was my

1438
00:59:12,829 --> 00:59:09,960
education in the UFO field I started

1439
00:59:15,349 --> 00:59:12,839
when I began that project I did not know

1440
00:59:17,030 --> 00:59:15,359
very much about UFOs and I read book

1441
00:59:20,150 --> 00:59:17,040
after book after book after book after

1442
00:59:22,430 --> 00:59:20,160
book and I took good notes that's what

1443
00:59:25,789 --> 00:59:22,440
allowed me to do my book

1444
00:59:28,250 --> 00:59:25,799
and I I was very fortunate in how I did

1445
00:59:29,990 --> 00:59:28,260
that project because I took all of

1446
00:59:32,450 --> 00:59:30,000
books from Donald Kehoe and the

1447
00:59:35,089 --> 00:59:32,460
lorenzans and all the old the old the

1448
00:59:37,010 --> 00:59:35,099
ogs of uvology and I created

1449
00:59:38,569 --> 00:59:37,020
chronological databases from every

1450
00:59:40,250 --> 00:59:38,579
single book and I put those

1451
00:59:42,650 --> 00:59:40,260
chronological databases together into

1452
00:59:45,410 --> 00:59:42,660
one big fat database and on the basis of

1453
00:59:47,809 --> 00:59:45,420
that I crafted my narrative and I had a

1454
00:59:51,710 --> 00:59:47,819
lot of UFO cases to work with

1455
00:59:54,770 --> 00:59:51,720
so um I think in that book from 19 it

1456
00:59:58,069 --> 00:59:54,780
actually started the narrative in 1941

1457
01:00:00,829 --> 00:59:58,079
and uh went to 1973 and I tracked uh

1458
01:00:03,650 --> 01:00:00,839
just under 300 military encounters with

1459
01:00:07,370 --> 01:00:03,660
UFOs uh and and an engagements that

1460
01:00:09,170 --> 01:00:07,380
involved 50 U.S military bases

1461
01:00:10,849 --> 01:00:09,180
that appeared in that book and then the

1462
01:00:11,630 --> 01:00:10,859
second volume I think I had a little bit

1463
01:00:13,789 --> 01:00:11,640
more

1464
01:00:16,069 --> 01:00:13,799
but there's a lot there and and frankly

1465
01:00:18,349 --> 01:00:16,079
even from what I tallied there's so much

1466
01:00:20,750 --> 01:00:18,359
more so much more

1467
01:00:22,250 --> 01:00:20,760
I just was able to grab the stuff that

1468
01:00:24,410 --> 01:00:22,260
was available uh from Freedom of

1469
01:00:25,910 --> 01:00:24,420
Information and you know things that

1470
01:00:30,289 --> 01:00:25,920
you'd find in Donald keho's books and

1471
01:00:35,710 --> 01:00:30,299
the like and uh that was a lot oh man he

1472
01:00:37,789 --> 01:00:35,720
would be losing his mind today Kehoe

1473
01:00:40,210 --> 01:00:37,799
he'd be very disappointed he'd be

1474
01:00:44,450 --> 01:00:40,220
heartbroken he would be losing his mind

1475
01:00:47,329 --> 01:00:44,460
Kehoe believed in deltio was one of my

1476
01:00:51,770 --> 01:00:47,339
first heroes in the UFO field and

1477
01:00:53,990 --> 01:00:51,780
he is a guy who believed in the process

1478
01:00:56,630 --> 01:00:54,000
he believed in working with Congress and

1479
01:00:58,730 --> 01:00:56,640
he believed in the American system and

1480
01:01:00,710 --> 01:00:58,740
and that the American people had a right

1481
01:01:02,450 --> 01:01:00,720
to know about this and that we had a

1482
01:01:05,210 --> 01:01:02,460
right not to be lied to by a government

1483
01:01:07,250 --> 01:01:05,220
and all of these amazing things you know

1484
01:01:09,530 --> 01:01:07,260
but he was living in the 1950s and 60s

1485
01:01:11,690 --> 01:01:09,540
when he was active when when people

1486
01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:11,700
could believe that who believes that now

1487
01:01:15,950 --> 01:01:14,400
I mean we believe in those ideals but

1488
01:01:18,789 --> 01:01:15,960
who actually thinks that we have a

1489
01:01:22,069 --> 01:01:18,799
functioning system

1490
01:01:24,849 --> 01:01:22,079
I have a hardcover first edition of his

1491
01:01:28,849 --> 01:01:24,859
first book right 1950 right got it here

1492
01:01:30,789 --> 01:01:28,859
and it is still Richard I think holds up

1493
01:01:34,370 --> 01:01:30,799
man yeah

1494
01:01:36,349 --> 01:01:34,380
the flying saucers are real yes man that

1495
01:01:38,270 --> 01:01:36,359
thing holds up it holds up let's take

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01:01:40,190 --> 01:01:38,280
our break right here we'll be back in a

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01:01:42,410 --> 01:01:40,200
couple of minutes Richard Dolan is our

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01:01:43,609 --> 01:01:42,420
guest I'm your host Jimmy church we'll

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01:01:45,589 --> 01:01:43,619
be right back

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okay enough of that the best uh Richard

1576
01:05:10,430 --> 01:05:09,299
Dolan is our guest tonight now Richard

1577
01:05:13,130 --> 01:05:10,440
um here's

1578
01:05:15,950 --> 01:05:13,140
here's here's where I want to go let's

1579
01:05:18,049 --> 01:05:15,960
I'm I'm going to present a hypothetical

1580
01:05:20,809 --> 01:05:18,059
scenario I'm going wherever you want to

1581
01:05:23,270 --> 01:05:20,819
lead Jimmy yeah well you know we're

1582
01:05:24,410 --> 01:05:23,280
going down that dark Road here's here's

1583
01:05:28,910 --> 01:05:24,420
the thing

1584
01:05:31,309 --> 01:05:28,920
we have uh perseverance on Mars right

1585
01:05:34,430 --> 01:05:31,319
going across the Martian surface at

1586
01:05:37,609 --> 01:05:34,440
about a mile an hour right whatever it's

1587
01:05:39,410 --> 01:05:37,619
doing right you know forever as far as I

1588
01:05:41,329 --> 01:05:39,420
know no defensive or offensive

1589
01:05:44,270 --> 01:05:41,339
capabilities on that thing I don't think

1590
01:05:46,990 --> 01:05:44,280
there's any guns we've also got uh an

1591
01:05:50,030 --> 01:05:47,000
aircraft on Mars right Ingenuity right

1592
01:05:52,849 --> 01:05:50,040
anal flour as far as I know no heat

1593
01:05:54,589 --> 01:05:52,859
seeking missiles on that little guy

1594
01:05:56,569 --> 01:05:54,599
um the stuff that we've had on the moon

1595
01:05:57,770 --> 01:05:56,579
and so forth you know these land and

1596
01:05:59,930 --> 01:05:57,780
things

1597
01:06:02,809 --> 01:05:59,940
um very slow and and defense but but

1598
01:06:09,049 --> 01:06:02,819
we're collecting data now hypothetically

1599
01:06:10,089 --> 01:06:09,059
speaking is it too much of a stretch to

1600
01:06:15,289 --> 01:06:10,099
suggest

1601
01:06:18,650 --> 01:06:15,299
that uh some stuff here uh coming from

1602
01:06:22,430 --> 01:06:18,660
elsewhere right an intelligent uh

1603
01:06:25,430 --> 01:06:22,440
species out there in ETC sending stuff

1604
01:06:29,390 --> 01:06:25,440
out to observe another planet

1605
01:06:31,069 --> 01:06:29,400
um could be slow moving could not uh you

1606
01:06:34,190 --> 01:06:31,079
know possess offensive and defensive

1607
01:06:35,809 --> 01:06:34,200
capabilities and wouldn't care about and

1608
01:06:38,270 --> 01:06:35,819
now I'm not saying everything I'm just

1609
01:06:40,670 --> 01:06:38,280
saying hypothetically speaking that it

1610
01:06:44,329 --> 01:06:40,680
is possible isn't it that some things

1611
01:06:47,569 --> 01:06:44,339
could be here just to cruise around and

1612
01:06:49,490 --> 01:06:47,579
and not have a whole lot of of crazy

1613
01:06:52,370 --> 01:06:49,500
technology on it and it's just here to

1614
01:06:54,710 --> 01:06:52,380
collect data and it could get shot down

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01:06:56,750 --> 01:06:54,720
sure yeah it's possible

1616
01:06:59,990 --> 01:06:56,760
uh

1617
01:07:03,770 --> 01:07:00,000
but you'd think though that if there's

1618
01:07:06,289 --> 01:07:03,780
an alien species that would do that

1619
01:07:08,630 --> 01:07:06,299
they would probably know that they're

1620
01:07:10,130 --> 01:07:08,640
sending their probe to Earth it's not

1621
01:07:13,309 --> 01:07:10,140
just going to arrive at Earth randomly

1622
01:07:16,069 --> 01:07:13,319
so one would assume it's intentional and

1623
01:07:17,870 --> 01:07:16,079
one would assume that they are aware oh

1624
01:07:19,789 --> 01:07:17,880
this is a planet so God that has a lot

1625
01:07:21,770 --> 01:07:19,799
of life and

1626
01:07:25,190 --> 01:07:21,780
um

1627
01:07:27,289 --> 01:07:25,200
I mean are they just going to go

1628
01:07:28,849 --> 01:07:27,299
at some point they if they have a

1629
01:07:29,930 --> 01:07:28,859
satellite that's high enough they're

1630
01:07:32,150 --> 01:07:29,940
going to see a whole bunch of other

1631
01:07:34,609 --> 01:07:32,160
satellites in orbit

1632
01:07:37,130 --> 01:07:34,619
so they're going to know presumably

1633
01:07:38,809 --> 01:07:37,140
right away and then you know all of our

1634
01:07:40,370 --> 01:07:38,819
RF signals and all the stuff coming off

1635
01:07:42,589 --> 01:07:40,380
of the planet they're probably going to

1636
01:07:45,529 --> 01:07:42,599
have a realization that there's a

1637
01:07:46,670 --> 01:07:45,539
technologically advanced species on that

1638
01:07:49,510 --> 01:07:46,680
planet

1639
01:07:52,670 --> 01:07:49,520
but what if it's a Von Neumann situation

1640
01:07:56,529 --> 01:07:52,680
where it's self-replicating and just out

1641
01:07:59,510 --> 01:07:56,539
exploring every single planets

1642
01:08:01,490 --> 01:07:59,520
trillions what and and these things are

1643
01:08:04,390 --> 01:08:01,500
just being manufactured to go and

1644
01:08:07,490 --> 01:08:04,400
collect data and and

1645
01:08:09,970 --> 01:08:07,500
you know what that could be that's why

1646
01:08:13,849 --> 01:08:09,980
not why not

1647
01:08:16,910 --> 01:08:13,859
that doesn't that doesn't follow most of

1648
01:08:19,249 --> 01:08:16,920
the observational what I have on UFOs

1649
01:08:22,309 --> 01:08:19,259
but yeah I would certainly totally say

1650
01:08:26,630 --> 01:08:22,319
it's possible yeah yeah it could be and

1651
01:08:28,370 --> 01:08:26,640
and the the other part uh with this

1652
01:08:30,769 --> 01:08:28,380
um I you know I think about this all the

1653
01:08:32,749 --> 01:08:30,779
time and you know I've got a twisted

1654
01:08:35,749 --> 01:08:32,759
mind I I just don't look at things

1655
01:08:38,689 --> 01:08:35,759
probably as rational as I should but

1656
01:08:40,849 --> 01:08:38,699
here's the other thing if if we do have

1657
01:08:45,769 --> 01:08:40,859
what no we do this is a fact where we've

1658
01:08:48,590 --> 01:08:45,779
got 40 50 billion billion with a B Rocky

1659
01:08:49,729 --> 01:08:48,600
Earth-like planets in in the Goldilocks

1660
01:08:51,530 --> 01:08:49,739
zone

1661
01:08:53,570 --> 01:08:51,540
um in our Milky Way just right there

1662
01:08:55,309 --> 01:08:53,580
it's a numbers game so how much of that

1663
01:08:58,010 --> 01:08:55,319
supports life how much of it is

1664
01:09:00,709 --> 01:08:58,020
intelligent life how much of it uh

1665
01:09:03,229 --> 01:09:00,719
another small percentage is Interstellar

1666
01:09:05,930 --> 01:09:03,239
right okay so if we go with that but

1667
01:09:08,870 --> 01:09:05,940
it's 40 billion and you go with like a

1668
01:09:10,910 --> 01:09:08,880
tenth of a percent you're still dealing

1669
01:09:13,090 --> 01:09:10,920
with hundreds of Millions millions of

1670
01:09:18,229 --> 01:09:13,100
advanced civilization it's a big number

1671
01:09:19,789 --> 01:09:18,239
and so therefore we if if they're

1672
01:09:22,309 --> 01:09:19,799
getting here and I believe that they are

1673
01:09:24,349 --> 01:09:22,319
we would be seeing all kinds of

1674
01:09:27,890 --> 01:09:24,359
different civilizations it's not just

1675
01:09:30,349 --> 01:09:27,900
one we might be right right it could be

1676
01:09:34,130 --> 01:09:30,359
thousands you get a very it's one of the

1677
01:09:35,749 --> 01:09:34,140
weird things about the UFO phenomenon

1678
01:09:38,450 --> 01:09:35,759
is that

1679
01:09:40,309 --> 01:09:38,460
it doesn't behave the way you know most

1680
01:09:44,030 --> 01:09:40,319
of us would want it to behave we want

1681
01:09:46,249 --> 01:09:44,040
one alien species with one kind of craft

1682
01:09:48,829 --> 01:09:46,259
right so that we can figure it out and

1683
01:09:52,689 --> 01:09:48,839
instead what you have are a wide range

1684
01:09:55,550 --> 01:09:52,699
of craft designs and shapes and types

1685
01:09:58,970 --> 01:09:55,560
and you have a wide range of alleged

1686
01:10:01,550 --> 01:09:58,980
let's just say alien beings yes all

1687
01:10:02,870 --> 01:10:01,560
they're very different it's different

1688
01:10:05,330 --> 01:10:02,880
species

1689
01:10:07,850 --> 01:10:05,340
even even among what we would call Grays

1690
01:10:10,430 --> 01:10:07,860
there's a very wide range in their size

1691
01:10:13,610 --> 01:10:10,440
and in the type and in the way the eyes

1692
01:10:15,050 --> 01:10:13,620
look and a lot of a lot of details are

1693
01:10:16,430 --> 01:10:15,060
described very differently and so you're

1694
01:10:18,830 --> 01:10:16,440
really left wondering

1695
01:10:20,630 --> 01:10:18,840
are people

1696
01:10:22,970 --> 01:10:20,640
not reporting this

1697
01:10:25,370 --> 01:10:22,980
accurately maybe there's some kind of

1698
01:10:28,010 --> 01:10:25,380
mind manipulation going on okay

1699
01:10:30,110 --> 01:10:28,020
but is it is it that much of a variation

1700
01:10:32,090 --> 01:10:30,120
that you've got all of this or are we

1701
01:10:33,890 --> 01:10:32,100
dealing with different species yeah

1702
01:10:37,310 --> 01:10:33,900
different well look at the two of us

1703
01:10:40,490 --> 01:10:37,320
Richard take a really close look

1704
01:10:42,729 --> 01:10:40,500
to somebody else we could be from two

1705
01:10:46,130 --> 01:10:42,739
different planets

1706
01:10:49,550 --> 01:10:46,140
if you really think about it there's

1707
01:10:51,530 --> 01:10:49,560
nothing similar you know we've got the

1708
01:10:54,830 --> 01:10:51,540
In-Shape good-looking guy we've got the

1709
01:10:57,830 --> 01:10:54,840
fat bloated pasty dude over but I do

1710
01:11:00,290 --> 01:10:57,840
have I I do I don't dye my hair

1711
01:11:01,250 --> 01:11:00,300
but here you know what I mean we could

1712
01:11:02,450 --> 01:11:01,260
be

1713
01:11:05,750 --> 01:11:02,460
right

1714
01:11:08,770 --> 01:11:05,760
I don't I don't think I think um

1715
01:11:11,270 --> 01:11:08,780
human beings actually have a remarkable

1716
01:11:14,390 --> 01:11:11,280
homogeneity within our genetic structure

1717
01:11:16,610 --> 01:11:14,400
like we we actually have less variety as

1718
01:11:17,510 --> 01:11:16,620
a species than many other species on

1719
01:11:19,610 --> 01:11:17,520
this planet

1720
01:11:22,610 --> 01:11:19,620
uh part of the reason is that all the

1721
01:11:24,470 --> 01:11:22,620
other hominins that evolved with us are

1722
01:11:26,810 --> 01:11:24,480
gone neanderthals are gone the Denis

1723
01:11:28,550 --> 01:11:26,820
Evans are gone the uh the the floret

1724
01:11:30,709 --> 01:11:28,560
homo floresiensis the hobbits they're

1725
01:11:32,990 --> 01:11:30,719
gone they were all pretty recent yeah

1726
01:11:35,450 --> 01:11:33,000
they were they were all they were all

1727
01:11:39,290 --> 01:11:35,460
you know standing up bipedal hominins

1728
01:11:41,570 --> 01:11:39,300
like us uh they looked more different

1729
01:11:44,209 --> 01:11:41,580
I'm just saying that

1730
01:11:46,550 --> 01:11:44,219
when you have a description of an alien

1731
01:11:48,350 --> 01:11:46,560
being that's three feet high and a

1732
01:11:50,510 --> 01:11:48,360
description of an alien being that's

1733
01:11:52,010 --> 01:11:50,520
five feet high that's a pretty big range

1734
01:11:53,390 --> 01:11:52,020
right there and then when you have a

1735
01:11:55,310 --> 01:11:53,400
description of an alien being that's got

1736
01:11:57,709 --> 01:11:55,320
big black wraparound eyes

1737
01:11:59,570 --> 01:11:57,719
and a big wide head but then a

1738
01:12:01,430 --> 01:11:59,580
description of a gray being that doesn't

1739
01:12:04,610 --> 01:12:01,440
have big black wrap around eyes and has

1740
01:12:05,570 --> 01:12:04,620
a thin but large head and that happens I

1741
01:12:07,189 --> 01:12:05,580
was just reading one of Glenn

1742
01:12:09,470 --> 01:12:07,199
stringfield's reports that describe that

1743
01:12:11,209 --> 01:12:09,480
so now you're talking that's that's a

1744
01:12:13,430 --> 01:12:11,219
variation enough that I'm thinking

1745
01:12:15,470 --> 01:12:13,440
that's not the same species there's no

1746
01:12:18,770 --> 01:12:15,480
way that I'm going to see a big fat head

1747
01:12:20,390 --> 01:12:18,780
and a tall skinny head as belonging to

1748
01:12:22,870 --> 01:12:20,400
the same species that's called

1749
01:12:24,649 --> 01:12:22,880
morphology and this is what

1750
01:12:26,990 --> 01:12:24,659
paleoanthropologists look at all the

1751
01:12:28,550 --> 01:12:27,000
time they're doing all these minute you

1752
01:12:30,470 --> 01:12:28,560
know measurements of all these ancient

1753
01:12:32,149 --> 01:12:30,480
skulls they're finding and they're

1754
01:12:34,250 --> 01:12:32,159
classifying them as different species I

1755
01:12:36,050 --> 01:12:34,260
think rightly so I think we should do

1756
01:12:37,610 --> 01:12:36,060
the same thing with these aliens so

1757
01:12:40,010 --> 01:12:37,620
there's a lot of different species which

1758
01:12:41,990 --> 01:12:40,020
would speak to if these reports are

1759
01:12:43,970 --> 01:12:42,000
accurate that would speak to what you're

1760
01:12:46,729 --> 01:12:43,980
saying that there's

1761
01:12:49,370 --> 01:12:46,739
a wide variety that's out there or you

1762
01:12:52,430 --> 01:12:49,380
could say there are a wide range of

1763
01:12:55,070 --> 01:12:52,440
genetic manipulations that's the other

1764
01:12:57,410 --> 01:12:55,080
thing I have to always wonder how many

1765
01:12:59,810 --> 01:12:57,420
of these species are naturally occurring

1766
01:13:02,090 --> 01:12:59,820
purely naturally occurring and how many

1767
01:13:04,130 --> 01:13:02,100
of them are artificially enhanced

1768
01:13:07,689 --> 01:13:04,140
through you know

1769
01:13:10,910 --> 01:13:07,699
genetic manipulation and so forth I mean

1770
01:13:13,790 --> 01:13:10,920
yeah and we're doing that now yeah yeah

1771
01:13:15,410 --> 01:13:13,800
for sure no idea where crispr is going

1772
01:13:17,270 --> 01:13:15,420
to lead the human race in the next 50

1773
01:13:20,630 --> 01:13:17,280
years I have no idea I think it's going

1774
01:13:22,669 --> 01:13:20,640
to lead us into a variety of human types

1775
01:13:25,490 --> 01:13:22,679
I think that's gonna happen man I don't

1776
01:13:29,030 --> 01:13:25,500
know about 50 years but within um

1777
01:13:31,970 --> 01:13:29,040
a couple of centuries our our pace of

1778
01:13:33,350 --> 01:13:31,980
you know evolution is is rapidly

1779
01:13:35,930 --> 01:13:33,360
increasing

1780
01:13:37,729 --> 01:13:35,940
and when you're talking about

1781
01:13:40,430 --> 01:13:37,739
self-directed essentially is what this

1782
01:13:41,990 --> 01:13:40,440
is oh my God this can go into a lot of

1783
01:13:43,850 --> 01:13:42,000
really crazy places

1784
01:13:46,370 --> 01:13:43,860
but the thing is Will Will those

1785
01:13:48,229 --> 01:13:46,380
variations work

1786
01:13:50,390 --> 01:13:48,239
you start changing you start screwing

1787
01:13:52,490 --> 01:13:50,400
about the species the species has to

1788
01:13:54,229 --> 01:13:52,500
survive within its ecosystem and

1789
01:13:55,370 --> 01:13:54,239
environment and you start messing with

1790
01:13:57,470 --> 01:13:55,380
it too much

1791
01:13:59,990 --> 01:13:57,480
uh you might be undercutting it

1792
01:14:02,510 --> 01:14:00,000
survivability well yeah well like simple

1793
01:14:03,850 --> 01:14:02,520
things like reproduction right suddenly

1794
01:14:06,770 --> 01:14:03,860
yeah yeah

1795
01:14:08,930 --> 01:14:06,780
right he messed with too many

1796
01:14:12,050 --> 01:14:08,940
chromosomes and too much DNA the next

1797
01:14:14,689 --> 01:14:12,060
thing you know uh I mean we can't as far

1798
01:14:17,750 --> 01:14:14,699
as I know I don't think we can mate with

1799
01:14:20,810 --> 01:14:17,760
lions and tigers right even though our

1800
01:14:23,390 --> 01:14:20,820
DNA is closed right but we can't it's a

1801
01:14:27,590 --> 01:14:23,400
chromosome and DNA issue let me ask you

1802
01:14:30,070 --> 01:14:27,600
this staying on on this subject

1803
01:14:33,649 --> 01:14:30,080
um if Enrico Fermi

1804
01:14:36,590 --> 01:14:33,659
uh was alive today

1805
01:14:38,750 --> 01:14:36,600
do you think he would say the same

1806
01:14:40,910 --> 01:14:38,760
things do you think that Fermi Paradox

1807
01:14:42,830 --> 01:14:40,920
would stand today

1808
01:14:45,649 --> 01:14:42,840
well I think he probably would because

1809
01:14:48,709 --> 01:14:45,659
there are a lot of scientists in

1810
01:14:51,410 --> 01:14:48,719
cosmology and in physics who I mean most

1811
01:14:53,510 --> 01:14:51,420
of them don't know a lot about UFOs but

1812
01:14:55,070 --> 01:14:53,520
they repeat the Fermi Paradox like where

1813
01:14:57,590 --> 01:14:55,080
is everybody

1814
01:15:00,169 --> 01:14:57,600
so what they're saying is there should

1815
01:15:02,810 --> 01:15:00,179
be life out there why isn't it here

1816
01:15:04,490 --> 01:15:02,820
our answer is well maybe you want to

1817
01:15:06,590 --> 01:15:04,500
look at some UFO evidence before you

1818
01:15:09,350 --> 01:15:06,600
make that determination

1819
01:15:11,990 --> 01:15:09,360
but I think it all depends on what

1820
01:15:14,470 --> 01:15:12,000
fermi's attitude about UFOs would be but

1821
01:15:16,430 --> 01:15:14,480
assuming that he's a typical

1822
01:15:18,649 --> 01:15:16,440
establishment scientist who doesn't

1823
01:15:20,570 --> 01:15:18,659
study the matter he might still be

1824
01:15:22,130 --> 01:15:20,580
asking that same question I mean the

1825
01:15:24,229 --> 01:15:22,140
thing is it's changing a little bit now

1826
01:15:27,709 --> 01:15:24,239
we are seeing

1827
01:15:31,669 --> 01:15:27,719
more people being open about expressing

1828
01:15:33,830 --> 01:15:31,679
their belief in the reality of UFOs

1829
01:15:35,689 --> 01:15:33,840
so

1830
01:15:37,790 --> 01:15:35,699
you know but it's still it's still a

1831
01:15:41,209 --> 01:15:37,800
career risk

1832
01:15:43,490 --> 01:15:41,219
for a mainstream scientist just say oh

1833
01:15:46,149 --> 01:15:43,500
yes I believe totally in UFOs I don't

1834
01:15:49,970 --> 01:15:46,159
there not many of them are doing that

1835
01:15:52,310 --> 01:15:49,980
the uh and the reason why I I bring that

1836
01:15:53,870 --> 01:15:52,320
up because if you go back he's the you

1837
01:15:55,669 --> 01:15:53,880
know the quote the conversation in the

1838
01:15:59,030 --> 01:15:55,679
cafeteria has been attributed to him in

1839
01:16:03,229 --> 01:15:59,040
1953 at uh Los Alamos right they're

1840
01:16:04,970 --> 01:16:03,239
having lunch uh the the 1952 UFO flap

1841
01:16:07,130 --> 01:16:04,980
the headlines all over the newspapers

1842
01:16:08,270 --> 01:16:07,140
and so you know the physicists are

1843
01:16:10,430 --> 01:16:08,280
sitting around having their

1844
01:16:12,590 --> 01:16:10,440
cheeseburgers at lunch you know talking

1845
01:16:14,209 --> 01:16:12,600
about the the national headlines okay

1846
01:16:17,570 --> 01:16:14,219
all right

1847
01:16:21,110 --> 01:16:17,580
um but back then in 1953 it goes without

1848
01:16:24,770 --> 01:16:21,120
saying but it needs to be repeated back

1849
01:16:26,450 --> 01:16:24,780
then nobody knew of any other planets

1850
01:16:28,850 --> 01:16:26,460
outside of our solar system and we

1851
01:16:32,450 --> 01:16:28,860
didn't know that for another 40 years

1852
01:16:34,970 --> 01:16:32,460
until 1999 that is a good point and so

1853
01:16:38,330 --> 01:16:34,980
you know you push this up to uh you know

1854
01:16:42,290 --> 01:16:38,340
2023 where we go from you know zero

1855
01:16:44,090 --> 01:16:42,300
planets in 1994 right that's pretty

1856
01:16:46,430 --> 01:16:44,100
recent history to me although although

1857
01:16:49,130 --> 01:16:46,440
to be fair those guys eyes back then

1858
01:16:50,930 --> 01:16:49,140
assumed that there were planets out

1859
01:16:52,490 --> 01:16:50,940
there I think you know their assumption

1860
01:16:54,169 --> 01:16:52,500
in terms of things like Star formation

1861
01:16:56,090 --> 01:16:54,179
and the like was

1862
01:16:59,030 --> 01:16:56,100
formation of a star is going to create

1863
01:17:00,649 --> 01:16:59,040
debris and those debris are planets I

1864
01:17:03,530 --> 01:17:00,659
think that that theory was out there but

1865
01:17:06,290 --> 01:17:03,540
it's true like there's no proof there

1866
01:17:09,290 --> 01:17:06,300
was no reason to be absolutely certain

1867
01:17:11,450 --> 01:17:09,300
one thing about first but there's

1868
01:17:12,890 --> 01:17:11,460
actually another interesting point with

1869
01:17:16,310 --> 01:17:12,900
that

1870
01:17:18,350 --> 01:17:16,320
um the current mapping in numbers of the

1871
01:17:22,010 --> 01:17:18,360
Milky Way and the size of the Milky Way

1872
01:17:25,910 --> 01:17:22,020
it gets bigger every year and so when

1873
01:17:29,630 --> 01:17:25,920
you back up into the 1950s they were

1874
01:17:31,689 --> 01:17:29,640
saying things like millions of stars in

1875
01:17:35,270 --> 01:17:31,699
the Milky Way right right

1876
01:17:37,250 --> 01:17:35,280
now it's a trillion trillions I think

1877
01:17:40,550 --> 01:17:37,260
you're right so many it's incredible

1878
01:17:42,709 --> 01:17:40,560
between millions and the trill ever you

1879
01:17:46,010 --> 01:17:42,719
know a thousand Millions to get to one

1880
01:17:48,410 --> 01:17:46,020
billion yeah that's crazy town and then

1881
01:17:51,490 --> 01:17:48,420
another thousand another thousand

1882
01:17:53,689 --> 01:17:51,500
billions you know to get to the trip

1883
01:17:57,830 --> 01:17:53,699
they didn't have that they didn't have

1884
01:18:00,709 --> 01:17:57,840
that concept back then and and today the

1885
01:18:02,990 --> 01:18:00,719
pragmatic black and white scientist as

1886
01:18:05,810 --> 01:18:03,000
you know that's fine but they Now

1887
01:18:08,330 --> 01:18:05,820
understand how ginormous things are and

1888
01:18:10,189 --> 01:18:08,340
which include includes going beyond our

1889
01:18:13,550 --> 01:18:10,199
Milky Way and into the universe that

1890
01:18:15,770 --> 01:18:13,560
there are trillions of of galaxies so

1891
01:18:17,270 --> 01:18:15,780
good point yeah and you know what's kind

1892
01:18:18,890 --> 01:18:17,280
of crazy I just I just thought of this

1893
01:18:20,390 --> 01:18:18,900
for the first time and it's kind of an

1894
01:18:22,729 --> 01:18:20,400
odd thing that I didn't think of this

1895
01:18:25,370 --> 01:18:22,739
before so Fermi is talking about where

1896
01:18:27,530 --> 01:18:25,380
is everybody in the early 50s

1897
01:18:30,709 --> 01:18:27,540
you realize over at Los Alamos in the

1898
01:18:34,390 --> 01:18:30,719
late 40s just a couple of years earlier

1899
01:18:40,189 --> 01:18:34,400
that the so-called uh green Fireballs

1900
01:18:43,550 --> 01:18:40,199
were a seriously high level concern of

1901
01:18:45,910 --> 01:18:43,560
UFOs over Los Alamos and that and over

1902
01:18:49,310 --> 01:18:45,920
places like White Sands and they said

1903
01:18:52,430 --> 01:18:49,320
they set up radar systems and built them

1904
01:18:54,110 --> 01:18:52,440
because of those correct yes it was it

1905
01:18:56,990 --> 01:18:54,120
was and it was a problem that got the

1906
01:18:59,209 --> 01:18:57,000
attention of high level

1907
01:19:01,970 --> 01:18:59,219
military people and high-level

1908
01:19:05,030 --> 01:19:01,980
scientists and we know this for a fact

1909
01:19:07,610 --> 01:19:05,040
yes it is not a and so you got to wonder

1910
01:19:09,470 --> 01:19:07,620
like what was up with Fermi like is he

1911
01:19:11,330 --> 01:19:09,480
just oblivious to this like right there

1912
01:19:14,450 --> 01:19:11,340
in Los Alamos

1913
01:19:16,910 --> 01:19:14,460
that this was clearly the scene of

1914
01:19:19,250 --> 01:19:16,920
directed unknown

1915
01:19:21,050 --> 01:19:19,260
activity that was

1916
01:19:23,630 --> 01:19:21,060
stated by the world's leading meteorite

1917
01:19:26,209 --> 01:19:23,640
expert Lincoln La Paz back then he said

1918
01:19:29,149 --> 01:19:26,219
these are not meteorites

1919
01:19:30,890 --> 01:19:29,159
and and so what do you got you have uh

1920
01:19:34,250 --> 01:19:30,900
sightings of these objects maneuvering

1921
01:19:37,669 --> 01:19:34,260
at times uh dropping moving up at times

1922
01:19:40,550 --> 01:19:37,679
like they they didn't make sense it was

1923
01:19:43,010 --> 01:19:40,560
such a problem that one question

1924
01:19:44,689 --> 01:19:43,020
obviously was are the Russians playing

1925
01:19:46,610 --> 01:19:44,699
games over our sensitive airspace

1926
01:19:50,090 --> 01:19:46,620
because you don't just fly things over

1927
01:19:53,570 --> 01:19:50,100
Los Alamos back then no no either but

1928
01:19:56,510 --> 01:19:53,580
but not then and so this was a real

1929
01:19:58,490 --> 01:19:56,520
problem and so it's kind of weird

1930
01:19:59,630 --> 01:19:58,500
to think that Enrico Fermi who was a

1931
01:20:03,850 --> 01:19:59,640
genius

1932
01:20:07,610 --> 01:20:03,860
would be was he that oblivious did you

1933
01:20:10,070 --> 01:20:07,620
yeah yeah did you uh ever get a chance

1934
01:20:11,450 --> 01:20:10,080
to see I'm gonna see if this pops up in

1935
01:20:14,510 --> 01:20:11,460
the chat room I haven't mentioned it

1936
01:20:17,630 --> 01:20:14,520
there's a TV series uh that came out in

1937
01:20:21,770 --> 01:20:17,640
the 2010 11 12 like right in there

1938
01:20:25,430 --> 01:20:21,780
called Manhattan two seasons did you see

1939
01:20:26,689 --> 01:20:25,440
that no okay so it's all about now one

1940
01:20:28,790 --> 01:20:26,699
of the things that I didn't realize

1941
01:20:31,310 --> 01:20:28,800
because we understand Los Alamos today

1942
01:20:33,110 --> 01:20:31,320
as a laboratory Los Alamos back then

1943
01:20:36,110 --> 01:20:33,120
which you know development of the bomb

1944
01:20:36,950 --> 01:20:36,120
with Oppenheimer and the team uh that

1945
01:20:42,169 --> 01:20:36,960
was

1946
01:20:43,910 --> 01:20:42,179
town that they built out in the middle

1947
01:20:45,890 --> 01:20:43,920
of the desert

1948
01:20:47,810 --> 01:20:45,900
um the families lived there right but

1949
01:20:50,990 --> 01:20:47,820
complete when you said you can't fly

1950
01:20:54,350 --> 01:20:51,000
over it didn't even exist it was a post

1951
01:20:56,870 --> 01:20:54,360
office box right that was not any Maps

1952
01:20:59,630 --> 01:20:56,880
or anything like that but to go back and

1953
01:21:01,250 --> 01:20:59,640
watch uh that TV series and if you

1954
01:21:04,610 --> 01:21:01,260
haven't seen it go and watch it two

1955
01:21:08,270 --> 01:21:04,620
seasons it's phenomenal great acting but

1956
01:21:10,250 --> 01:21:08,280
uh a a a great cast but the point with

1957
01:21:12,110 --> 01:21:10,260
all of this is the amount of secrecy

1958
01:21:15,410 --> 01:21:12,120
that was there in the amount of

1959
01:21:16,910 --> 01:21:15,420
intelligence the brain power you know it

1960
01:21:19,910 --> 01:21:16,920
was the best of the best of the entire

1961
01:21:23,570 --> 01:21:19,920
world uh that was brought together and

1962
01:21:26,689 --> 01:21:23,580
it never left Richard Sandia White Sands

1963
01:21:28,910 --> 01:21:26,699
yeah it never brilliant Brilliant Minds

1964
01:21:31,790 --> 01:21:28,920
working there then and now

1965
01:21:34,430 --> 01:21:31,800
so and you know Los Alamos has been

1966
01:21:36,709 --> 01:21:34,440
there have been other uh UFO incidents

1967
01:21:41,870 --> 01:21:36,719
over that area after that period but

1968
01:21:43,430 --> 01:21:41,880
from 1948 1949 1950 into 51 it was such

1969
01:21:45,709 --> 01:21:43,440
a a problem

1970
01:21:48,229 --> 01:21:45,719
that the air force uh ran something

1971
01:21:51,669 --> 01:21:48,239
called project twinkle which got some

1972
01:21:54,890 --> 01:21:51,679
publicity back then at the time and was

1973
01:21:57,110 --> 01:21:54,900
not really understood to be as

1974
01:22:00,590 --> 01:21:57,120
successful as it actually was uh Dr

1975
01:22:03,229 --> 01:22:00,600
Bruce Maccabee wrote a very good uh

1976
01:22:05,270 --> 01:22:03,239
piece on this where he actually went

1977
01:22:07,970 --> 01:22:05,280
back and looked at the analysis that was

1978
01:22:09,290 --> 01:22:07,980
done by the

1979
01:22:10,729 --> 01:22:09,300
um they've been set up these three

1980
01:22:13,130 --> 01:22:10,739
different theodolites at different

1981
01:22:16,310 --> 01:22:13,140
stations to triangulate these objects

1982
01:22:18,470 --> 01:22:16,320
and what he found is that they on a

1983
01:22:20,090 --> 01:22:18,480
couple of occasions actually did track

1984
01:22:22,430 --> 01:22:20,100
on one occasion specifically they

1985
01:22:24,649 --> 01:22:22,440
tracked an object traveling at uh I

1986
01:22:27,770 --> 01:22:24,659
think it was 100 000 feet altitude with

1987
01:22:29,689 --> 01:22:27,780
a diameter of 30 feet at uh I I don't

1988
01:22:31,910 --> 01:22:29,699
think they wrote the exact speed but

1989
01:22:34,070 --> 01:22:31,920
many thousands of miles per hour that's

1990
01:22:35,870 --> 01:22:34,080
correct so in nineteen I think it was

1991
01:22:37,850 --> 01:22:35,880
1949 or 1950

1992
01:22:40,189 --> 01:22:37,860
and that was in the report it got buried

1993
01:22:41,870 --> 01:22:40,199
in the report and so the conclusion was

1994
01:22:44,030 --> 01:22:41,880
there's nothing there's not a lot of

1995
01:22:46,850 --> 01:22:44,040
hard data here but that was hard data

1996
01:22:50,810 --> 01:22:46,860
and they did wasn't it wasn't in uh it

1997
01:22:52,729 --> 01:22:50,820
was on station for a few hours right and

1998
01:22:55,550 --> 01:22:52,739
it came in it was tracked for quite a

1999
01:22:57,950 --> 01:22:55,560
long time it wasn't a an entirely that

2000
01:22:59,870 --> 01:22:57,960
lasted you know a couple of seconds in a

2001
01:23:01,790 --> 01:22:59,880
blip on the radar that they were

2002
01:23:03,950 --> 01:23:01,800
actually tracking this for for quite a

2003
01:23:05,930 --> 01:23:03,960
long time I I know it was a good track I

2004
01:23:08,149 --> 01:23:05,940
know that they were satisfied with it

2005
01:23:11,209 --> 01:23:08,159
and it went into the report as a solid

2006
01:23:12,649 --> 01:23:11,219
track and theodolites are then and now

2007
01:23:15,169 --> 01:23:12,659
they're good instruments they're very

2008
01:23:16,669 --> 01:23:15,179
reliable label track they will see an

2009
01:23:18,530 --> 01:23:16,679
object they'll track his altitude at

2010
01:23:20,390 --> 01:23:18,540
speed

2011
01:23:23,330 --> 01:23:20,400
um and that's what was used to track

2012
01:23:25,510 --> 01:23:23,340
these things so in in for everybody out

2013
01:23:29,390 --> 01:23:25,520
there in the northern side of New Mexico

2014
01:23:33,410 --> 01:23:29,400
Albuquerque uh where centrally a lot of

2015
01:23:36,189 --> 01:23:33,420
this intelligence uh and and uh uh

2016
01:23:38,689 --> 01:23:36,199
technical development of what's going on

2017
01:23:40,310 --> 01:23:38,699
several different sites in the

2018
01:23:43,669 --> 01:23:40,320
laboratory setting in a testing setting

2019
01:23:47,630 --> 01:23:43,679
so outside the perimeter here they they

2020
01:23:50,570 --> 01:23:47,640
went into Northeast uh New Mexico not

2021
01:23:52,669 --> 01:23:50,580
too far uh Northwest and then Central

2022
01:23:55,610 --> 01:23:52,679
below Albuquerque and they had this

2023
01:23:58,310 --> 01:23:55,620
triangle set up to try and track this

2024
01:24:00,229 --> 01:23:58,320
stuff because it was going down the

2025
01:24:03,530 --> 01:24:00,239
sites themselves the buildings are still

2026
01:24:05,390 --> 01:24:03,540
there yeah from what I recall from the

2027
01:24:08,090 --> 01:24:05,400
twinkle report

2028
01:24:10,490 --> 01:24:08,100
um once they set up first of all there

2029
01:24:13,130 --> 01:24:10,500
was a an argument over the location of

2030
01:24:15,470 --> 01:24:13,140
one of the stations and it was said that

2031
01:24:18,169 --> 01:24:15,480
you put this in an area where there's no

2032
01:24:19,850 --> 01:24:18,179
activity why are you doing that and and

2033
01:24:21,530 --> 01:24:19,860
so there was argument that the project

2034
01:24:23,990 --> 01:24:21,540
was set up to fail I don't know if

2035
01:24:25,910 --> 01:24:24,000
that's true or not but maybe uh but what

2036
01:24:28,189 --> 01:24:25,920
they I think rupeld actually wrote about

2037
01:24:30,530 --> 01:24:28,199
this in his book report on an end of

2038
01:24:32,030 --> 01:24:30,540
five flying objects that the activity

2039
01:24:35,209 --> 01:24:32,040
just dropped

2040
01:24:37,130 --> 01:24:35,219
while twinkle was underway and I I think

2041
01:24:38,510 --> 01:24:37,140
that is true but it didn't it didn't

2042
01:24:41,149 --> 01:24:38,520
stop

2043
01:24:43,790 --> 01:24:41,159
and they they did track a few unknowns

2044
01:24:49,669 --> 01:24:43,800
and they got that one really good one

2045
01:24:51,950 --> 01:24:49,679
now if we're explainable if we uh if we

2046
01:24:55,010 --> 01:24:51,960
I'll just say you and I right if you and

2047
01:24:57,590 --> 01:24:55,020
I uh find out about you know intelligent

2048
01:24:59,149 --> 01:24:57,600
life we find a VI a biosphere on a

2049
01:25:01,010 --> 01:24:59,159
planet and and we head out and we're

2050
01:25:04,850 --> 01:25:01,020
gonna go check it out and we're looking

2051
01:25:09,470 --> 01:25:04,860
at it and let's say it's Neanderthal

2052
01:25:11,930 --> 01:25:09,480
level or you know 10 000 year uh or like

2053
01:25:14,810 --> 01:25:11,940
us 10 000 years ago right where we've

2054
01:25:16,669 --> 01:25:14,820
we've got fire right maybe agriculture

2055
01:25:18,110 --> 01:25:16,679
maybe we're domesticating the animals

2056
01:25:22,310 --> 01:25:18,120
right

2057
01:25:25,729 --> 01:25:22,320
um we've tamed the house cat anyway it's

2058
01:25:31,729 --> 01:25:25,739
a joke sure so uh house cats are aliens

2059
01:25:34,370 --> 01:25:31,739
so the but but we go what would we do we

2060
01:25:36,890 --> 01:25:34,380
would go and look for maybe campfires

2061
01:25:39,410 --> 01:25:36,900
you know something and just Monitor and

2062
01:25:41,510 --> 01:25:39,420
check things out maybe we'll go back in

2063
01:25:44,410 --> 01:25:41,520
100 years that's only that's all we

2064
01:25:46,910 --> 01:25:44,420
would do yes yeah right yeah exactly

2065
01:25:48,890 --> 01:25:46,920
exactly but then you know go back and

2066
01:25:50,930 --> 01:25:48,900
check in oh check it out they've got

2067
01:25:53,689 --> 01:25:50,940
wagons they've got the wheel yeah

2068
01:25:56,810 --> 01:25:53,699
exactly right yeah and go back oh oh

2069
01:26:00,770 --> 01:25:56,820
holy crap Smoke Stacks right yeah steam

2070
01:26:03,229 --> 01:26:00,780
power assuming that our civilization is

2071
01:26:05,330 --> 01:26:03,239
stable enough to track their

2072
01:26:08,750 --> 01:26:05,340
civilization over a period of many

2073
01:26:11,330 --> 01:26:08,760
centuries or Millennia well that's I

2074
01:26:15,950 --> 01:26:11,340
assume that's what we would do I

2075
01:26:19,129 --> 01:26:15,960
hopefully just observe well E.T would do

2076
01:26:22,430 --> 01:26:19,139
the same thing here they would go to

2077
01:26:24,229 --> 01:26:22,440
where the technology is is happening you

2078
01:26:26,209 --> 01:26:24,239
know suddenly you're seeing atoms

2079
01:26:28,850 --> 01:26:26,219
getting split right you're seeing you

2080
01:26:31,970 --> 01:26:28,860
know radioactivity in in certain

2081
01:26:34,850 --> 01:26:31,980
locations at a certain historical a time

2082
01:26:36,530 --> 01:26:34,860
period you're going to have uh some

2083
01:26:38,149 --> 01:26:36,540
observation going there I would

2084
01:26:40,189 --> 01:26:38,159
absolutely say that that would have to

2085
01:26:41,510 --> 01:26:40,199
be the case we would do the same thing I

2086
01:26:43,430 --> 01:26:41,520
think that did happen I think that's

2087
01:26:47,209 --> 01:26:43,440
part of our history I think we've been

2088
01:26:48,830 --> 01:26:47,219
subject to my opinion about this at this

2089
01:26:52,250 --> 01:26:48,840
time

2090
01:26:55,189 --> 01:26:52,260
is that we were subject to low level but

2091
01:26:57,290 --> 01:26:55,199
ongoing monitoring for a long time I say

2092
01:26:59,629 --> 01:26:57,300
low level because

2093
01:27:02,450 --> 01:26:59,639
there wasn't an awareness certainly by

2094
01:27:04,610 --> 01:27:02,460
people that that this was happening I

2095
01:27:07,129 --> 01:27:04,620
mean there are stories of the Gods okay

2096
01:27:08,930 --> 01:27:07,139
so let's just keep that in mind and and

2097
01:27:10,490 --> 01:27:08,940
maybe some of those might relate to this

2098
01:27:14,510 --> 01:27:10,500
totally possible

2099
01:27:16,010 --> 01:27:14,520
but it's not it's not an overt part of

2100
01:27:17,930 --> 01:27:16,020
our history doesn't mean that we weren't

2101
01:27:20,570 --> 01:27:17,940
manipulated doesn't mean that we weren't

2102
01:27:22,070 --> 01:27:20,580
tweaked my guess is that if we were

2103
01:27:26,030 --> 01:27:22,080
tweaked it might have been about 50 000

2104
01:27:28,129 --> 01:27:26,040
years ago 50 60 quite possible uh

2105
01:27:32,270 --> 01:27:28,139
but I don't know that but it's possible

2106
01:27:34,129 --> 01:27:32,280
but I I maintain I believe when I look

2107
01:27:37,370 --> 01:27:34,139
at the long history that something

2108
01:27:38,689 --> 01:27:37,380
changed during the 20th century that we

2109
01:27:41,689 --> 01:27:38,699
thought the whole neighborhood in

2110
01:27:44,209 --> 01:27:41,699
because what we start seeing are really

2111
01:27:46,790 --> 01:27:44,219
large numbers of UFO sightings in

2112
01:27:48,050 --> 01:27:46,800
starting in the mid 20th century and you

2113
01:27:50,990 --> 01:27:48,060
could say well it's because our

2114
01:27:53,390 --> 01:27:51,000
capability has improved and that's

2115
01:27:55,669 --> 01:27:53,400
absolutely true but you know I was

2116
01:27:57,649 --> 01:27:55,679
thinking a few months ago about 19th

2117
01:28:01,490 --> 01:27:57,659
century America

2118
01:28:03,290 --> 01:28:01,500
now that was a a very Advanced Society I

2119
01:28:05,810 --> 01:28:03,300
mean basically they were a society that

2120
01:28:07,850 --> 01:28:05,820
had a basically a scientific orientation

2121
01:28:10,030 --> 01:28:07,860
for the most part uh they were building

2122
01:28:13,310 --> 01:28:10,040
railroads

2123
01:28:15,709 --> 01:28:13,320
Telegraph Telegraph like these were

2124
01:28:18,229 --> 01:28:15,719
right these were people who were making

2125
01:28:20,629 --> 01:28:18,239
things happen they were smart

2126
01:28:23,629 --> 01:28:20,639
can-do attitude and yet there was no

2127
01:28:25,310 --> 01:28:23,639
consciousness of UFOs why not were they

2128
01:28:26,330 --> 01:28:25,320
just oblivious I don't think they were

2129
01:28:28,430 --> 01:28:26,340
oblivious

2130
01:28:31,750 --> 01:28:28,440
they were outside they were looking at

2131
01:28:34,669 --> 01:28:31,760
the skies a lot uh there wasn't this

2132
01:28:37,030 --> 01:28:34,679
widespread Consciousness in you know

2133
01:28:39,649 --> 01:28:37,040
America of the 1870s

2134
01:28:42,470 --> 01:28:39,659
that yeah there's these these things

2135
01:28:44,570 --> 01:28:42,480
here and I think it's because there

2136
01:28:47,030 --> 01:28:44,580
wasn't a lot of it going on

2137
01:28:49,010 --> 01:28:47,040
I think that's the answer and I think

2138
01:28:51,430 --> 01:28:49,020
the the truth is that

2139
01:28:54,649 --> 01:28:51,440
during the 20th century

2140
01:28:56,510 --> 01:28:54,659
more and more groups started to arrive

2141
01:28:58,189 --> 01:28:56,520
here we're at a point now where

2142
01:29:00,649 --> 01:28:58,199
sightings are happening in massive

2143
01:29:01,790 --> 01:29:00,659
amounts thousands in North America every

2144
01:29:05,450 --> 01:29:01,800
year

2145
01:29:06,709 --> 01:29:05,460
convinced is having a lot of them but

2146
01:29:07,790 --> 01:29:06,719
they don't they don't report them

2147
01:29:09,649 --> 01:29:07,800
there's not a good reporting

2148
01:29:11,689 --> 01:29:09,659
infrastructure for much of the rest of

2149
01:29:14,450 --> 01:29:11,699
the world but we're seeing a lot of

2150
01:29:17,330 --> 01:29:14,460
these things you're a historian and when

2151
01:29:20,090 --> 01:29:17,340
you uh when you look back

2152
01:29:23,629 --> 01:29:20,100
and you think about because the 19th

2153
01:29:26,090 --> 01:29:23,639
century is is very extraordinary the

2154
01:29:28,750 --> 01:29:26,100
Industrial Revolution oil the the

2155
01:29:31,750 --> 01:29:28,760
everything it was crazy

2156
01:29:35,629 --> 01:29:31,760
absolutely telephone phonograph

2157
01:29:38,090 --> 01:29:35,639
telegraphs electricity were wiring I

2158
01:29:40,490 --> 01:29:38,100
think we did photography we did our

2159
01:29:44,149 --> 01:29:40,500
first Transatlantic cable you know at

2160
01:29:48,110 --> 01:29:44,159
that time with with with [\h__\h] but anyway

2161
01:29:50,510 --> 01:29:48,120
um as crazy as that sounds in 1900 we

2162
01:29:53,450 --> 01:29:50,520
were still horse and buggy right that's

2163
01:29:54,890 --> 01:29:53,460
that's it we were still gas lamps we

2164
01:29:58,189 --> 01:29:54,900
were still trying to figure out how to

2165
01:30:00,530 --> 01:29:58,199
light up Manhattan right but and we

2166
01:30:02,390 --> 01:30:00,540
still we were not Airborne no we were

2167
01:30:05,209 --> 01:30:02,400
not that when you when you look up in

2168
01:30:07,610 --> 01:30:05,219
the sky there's there'd be no drones

2169
01:30:09,530 --> 01:30:07,620
heart maybe a couple of balloons like

2170
01:30:11,629 --> 01:30:09,540
you might see five balloons in your

2171
01:30:14,229 --> 01:30:11,639
lifetime maybe you know I don't know but

2172
01:30:17,930 --> 01:30:14,239
probably not many yeah

2173
01:30:20,510 --> 01:30:17,940
zero unless you were in France but yes

2174
01:30:23,390 --> 01:30:20,520
so in other words you you would if there

2175
01:30:26,270 --> 01:30:23,400
was an object in the sky one would think

2176
01:30:29,390 --> 01:30:26,280
you'd notice it you would notice it and

2177
01:30:31,669 --> 01:30:29,400
then so to go from 1900

2178
01:30:33,290 --> 01:30:31,679
and I and when I say horse and buggy I'm

2179
01:30:37,610 --> 01:30:33,300
not saying this in a loose context

2180
01:30:42,649 --> 01:30:37,620
that's what was here and and gas lamps

2181
01:30:45,470 --> 01:30:42,659
to just 40 years later 40 right jet

2182
01:30:49,370 --> 01:30:45,480
aircraft Atomic knowledge

2183
01:30:52,790 --> 01:30:49,380
um circuitry radios radar

2184
01:30:55,490 --> 01:30:52,800
um trans Oceanic flights you know all of

2185
01:30:58,490 --> 01:30:55,500
this stuff four decades man

2186
01:31:00,649 --> 01:30:58,500
four decades is extraordinary I I I I

2187
01:31:03,850 --> 01:31:00,659
just can't explain that and then if we

2188
01:31:08,570 --> 01:31:03,860
if you take it one step further

2189
01:31:10,669 --> 01:31:08,580
2020 two decades man 20 years after that

2190
01:31:12,590 --> 01:31:10,679
Jimi Hendrix

2191
01:31:15,890 --> 01:31:12,600
what

2192
01:31:18,310 --> 01:31:15,900
the think of it I mean just really yeah

2193
01:31:22,850 --> 01:31:18,320
culture that's not that's not a joke

2194
01:31:25,070 --> 01:31:22,860
yeah yeah so Hendricks was an ET that's

2195
01:31:27,770 --> 01:31:25,080
what we can do we can deduce that from

2196
01:31:29,450 --> 01:31:27,780
from all of that how do those

2197
01:31:31,970 --> 01:31:29,460
ridiculously long fingers that they're

2198
01:31:34,669 --> 01:31:31,980
probably alien yeah he was E.T man he

2199
01:31:38,030 --> 01:31:34,679
was a gift uh from them but how do we

2200
01:31:42,110 --> 01:31:38,040
explain those leaps and Technology if it

2201
01:31:45,709 --> 01:31:42,120
wasn't from the possibility of crash

2202
01:31:47,870 --> 01:31:45,719
retrievals or some kind of assistance is

2203
01:31:51,709 --> 01:31:47,880
it really putting it out there too far

2204
01:31:51,719 --> 01:31:55,490
foreign

2205
01:32:00,169 --> 01:31:58,550
I think we did those things now I mean

2206
01:32:02,450 --> 01:32:00,179
there's there's I've actually had a

2207
01:32:05,570 --> 01:32:02,460
conversation with a very brilliant

2208
01:32:07,850 --> 01:32:05,580
friend of mine who believes and maybe

2209
01:32:10,070 --> 01:32:07,860
he's right that there is aliens that

2210
01:32:12,590 --> 01:32:10,080
were seated in our society

2211
01:32:14,810 --> 01:32:12,600
from the early 20th century

2212
01:32:16,370 --> 01:32:14,820
it is a theory

2213
01:32:20,390 --> 01:32:16,380
I don't know what I think about that

2214
01:32:22,990 --> 01:32:20,400
what I would say is the logic of our

2215
01:32:31,010 --> 01:32:27,530
is inexorable in other words once you

2216
01:32:32,870 --> 01:32:31,020
achieve a breakthrough in certain areas

2217
01:32:35,090 --> 01:32:32,880
they are going to lead to more

2218
01:32:36,290 --> 01:32:35,100
breakthroughs and and really the

2219
01:32:38,510 --> 01:32:36,300
ultimate

2220
01:32:42,169 --> 01:32:38,520
breakthrough

2221
01:32:44,330 --> 01:32:42,179
I mean actually goes back to when we

2222
01:32:46,729 --> 01:32:44,340
develop language complex language

2223
01:32:48,590 --> 01:32:46,739
probably 50 000 plus years ago I think

2224
01:32:50,270 --> 01:32:48,600
it's the greatest the best estimate and

2225
01:32:52,430 --> 01:32:50,280
I say that I don't want to get off track

2226
01:32:55,129 --> 01:32:52,440
here but

2227
01:32:59,810 --> 01:32:55,139
what what our whole journey as a species

2228
01:33:01,790 --> 01:32:59,820
has been is to create tools by which we

2229
01:33:03,649 --> 01:33:01,800
can manipulate our environment

2230
01:33:05,410 --> 01:33:03,659
and actually our greatest invention

2231
01:33:07,550 --> 01:33:05,420
toward that end is probably language

2232
01:33:10,070 --> 01:33:07,560
complex language

2233
01:33:11,570 --> 01:33:10,080
my opinion that allows everything else

2234
01:33:14,990 --> 01:33:11,580
it allows you to manipulate information

2235
01:33:16,370 --> 01:33:15,000
to create ideas to pass on ideas to

2236
01:33:19,310 --> 01:33:16,380
communicate these things

2237
01:33:21,169 --> 01:33:19,320
and and you could argue

2238
01:33:23,629 --> 01:33:21,179
in the long long scheme of things you're

2239
01:33:25,550 --> 01:33:23,639
looking at billions of years 50 000

2240
01:33:26,689 --> 01:33:25,560
years is not that long ago you might

2241
01:33:29,629 --> 01:33:26,699
just say

2242
01:33:32,629 --> 01:33:29,639
once those beings with their big frontal

2243
01:33:34,610 --> 01:33:32,639
cortex had language to communicate that

2244
01:33:36,649 --> 01:33:34,620
what we're doing now could be considered

2245
01:33:38,689 --> 01:33:36,659
an inevitability and you could say it's

2246
01:33:39,890 --> 01:33:38,699
just a matter of time that's actually my

2247
01:33:41,209 --> 01:33:39,900
position

2248
01:33:43,129 --> 01:33:41,219
so

2249
01:33:44,930 --> 01:33:43,139
now there are a couple of other

2250
01:33:46,550 --> 01:33:44,940
necessary steps along the way you have

2251
01:33:47,810 --> 01:33:46,560
to discover science

2252
01:33:49,550 --> 01:33:47,820
language allows you to discover

2253
01:33:52,250 --> 01:33:49,560
mathematics but that's not quite the

2254
01:33:54,649 --> 01:33:52,260
same as science so we we really discover

2255
01:33:57,290 --> 01:33:54,659
science let's say three four hundred

2256
01:34:00,530 --> 01:33:57,300
years ago right Newton Descartes and all

2257
01:34:01,669 --> 01:34:00,540
of those guys and and that that is the

2258
01:34:03,790 --> 01:34:01,679
real key

2259
01:34:07,970 --> 01:34:03,800
so once you have a scientific

2260
01:34:10,250 --> 01:34:07,980
understanding my opinion on it at this

2261
01:34:12,590 --> 01:34:10,260
point is that

2262
01:34:14,870 --> 01:34:12,600
you're basically looking at a matter of

2263
01:34:17,270 --> 01:34:14,880
time before you crack the atom

2264
01:34:18,950 --> 01:34:17,280
and and it and it's things speed up up

2265
01:34:20,510 --> 01:34:18,960
to a certain point I don't think they're

2266
01:34:21,890 --> 01:34:20,520
going to speed up forever

2267
01:34:24,709 --> 01:34:21,900
but I think

2268
01:34:26,330 --> 01:34:24,719
that where they may continue to speed up

2269
01:34:29,209 --> 01:34:26,340
for a while because now we have a new

2270
01:34:31,550 --> 01:34:29,219
tool strong generative AI

2271
01:34:35,390 --> 01:34:31,560
where that's on the way

2272
01:34:38,450 --> 01:34:35,400
so so we're still continually increasing

2273
01:34:39,950 --> 01:34:38,460
our ability to manipulate the world

2274
01:34:42,590 --> 01:34:39,960
around us

2275
01:34:44,990 --> 01:34:42,600
so I'm not sure that

2276
01:34:48,169 --> 01:34:45,000
you know you need aliens

2277
01:34:51,950 --> 01:34:48,179
for to explain what we have but I do

2278
01:34:57,110 --> 01:34:51,960
what I will say is that there have been

2279
01:34:59,270 --> 01:34:57,120
retrievals of of UFOs we have them

2280
01:35:01,310 --> 01:34:59,280
we have them some that crash and some

2281
01:35:03,850 --> 01:35:01,320
that didn't crash some that are intact

2282
01:35:06,770 --> 01:35:03,860
and we've got them and there has been

2283
01:35:09,530 --> 01:35:06,780
covert deeply covert study of these

2284
01:35:12,890 --> 01:35:09,540
objects and the Technologies associated

2285
01:35:15,950 --> 01:35:12,900
with them and I have to assume we have

2286
01:35:18,830 --> 01:35:15,960
to assume I feel that

2287
01:35:20,510 --> 01:35:18,840
that's a nice little bonus right there

2288
01:35:23,750 --> 01:35:20,520
so that

2289
01:35:26,570 --> 01:35:23,760
that I would see it as an accelerant to

2290
01:35:29,090 --> 01:35:26,580
our what would be maybe a somewhat

2291
01:35:32,510 --> 01:35:29,100
slower progress in our technology and

2292
01:35:33,649 --> 01:35:32,520
science and that this what these beings

2293
01:35:35,510 --> 01:35:33,659
have

2294
01:35:37,790 --> 01:35:35,520
presumably being quite a bit more

2295
01:35:42,050 --> 01:35:37,800
advanced than what we have would would

2296
01:35:44,750 --> 01:35:42,060
speed us up yes but I I think that

2297
01:35:47,149 --> 01:35:44,760
given enough time and and probably not a

2298
01:35:50,270 --> 01:35:47,159
lot of time that we would be on the same

2299
01:35:53,450 --> 01:35:50,280
basic trajectory because science is

2300
01:35:55,790 --> 01:35:53,460
science and the way that we've got our

2301
01:35:57,290 --> 01:35:55,800
society structured we've got all of

2302
01:35:59,450 --> 01:35:57,300
these competitive scientific

2303
01:36:01,610 --> 01:35:59,460
institutions around the world

2304
01:36:03,410 --> 01:36:01,620
I mean look at look at AI

2305
01:36:05,390 --> 01:36:03,420
you know you've got these people from

2306
01:36:08,030 --> 01:36:05,400
Elon Musk to many other people saying

2307
01:36:10,070 --> 01:36:08,040
this AI could be dangerous and yes

2308
01:36:12,350 --> 01:36:10,080
everyone knows it can be how do you stop

2309
01:36:15,830 --> 01:36:12,360
it impossible

2310
01:36:17,510 --> 01:36:15,840
military reasons alone mean would make

2311
01:36:19,669 --> 01:36:17,520
it impossible to stop it the United

2312
01:36:22,970 --> 01:36:19,679
States is competing with Russia and

2313
01:36:25,970 --> 01:36:22,980
China and everyone knows

2314
01:36:27,649 --> 01:36:25,980
you get super strong AI for your

2315
01:36:29,689 --> 01:36:27,659
military first you're gonna have a

2316
01:36:31,669 --> 01:36:29,699
massive Advantage so that alone and then

2317
01:36:33,709 --> 01:36:31,679
you've got corporations wanting it and

2318
01:36:35,810 --> 01:36:33,719
now you've got the general public with a

2319
01:36:38,570 --> 01:36:35,820
demand for it so the demand is there's

2320
01:36:40,850 --> 01:36:38,580
too many people in the game working you

2321
01:36:42,410 --> 01:36:40,860
got Google you've got Facebook you've

2322
01:36:46,750 --> 01:36:42,420
got who else is working on AI everyone

2323
01:36:50,290 --> 01:36:46,760
Boston Dynamics Israel Israel Nations

2324
01:36:54,169 --> 01:36:50,300
corporations yeah it's just

2325
01:36:56,270 --> 01:36:54,179
Pandora's Box is open and all that stuff

2326
01:36:58,970 --> 01:36:56,280
is flown out so there's no getting it

2327
01:37:03,010 --> 01:36:58,980
back in and that's just one example so

2328
01:37:06,169 --> 01:37:03,020
our society pardon me is structured

2329
01:37:07,790 --> 01:37:06,179
now that we've got a I would say

2330
01:37:10,310 --> 01:37:07,800
sophisticated understanding of

2331
01:37:13,250 --> 01:37:10,320
scientific principles and many many

2332
01:37:15,530 --> 01:37:13,260
specific Sciences I mean we're operating

2333
01:37:18,110 --> 01:37:15,540
in a very high level these days

2334
01:37:19,370 --> 01:37:18,120
and we're competing we've got competing

2335
01:37:23,810 --> 01:37:19,380
factions in the world so that's a

2336
01:37:27,129 --> 01:37:23,820
perfect recipe for Rapid technological

2337
01:37:31,310 --> 01:37:30,649
yeah we don't necessarily

2338
01:37:33,350 --> 01:37:31,320
um

2339
01:37:35,330 --> 01:37:33,360
I want to be very clear to the audience

2340
01:37:37,610 --> 01:37:35,340
here we don't necessarily have to

2341
01:37:39,649 --> 01:37:37,620
backwards engineer something uh and

2342
01:37:41,870 --> 01:37:39,659
understand it fully you only have to

2343
01:37:44,810 --> 01:37:41,880
look at something and get an idea and be

2344
01:37:46,729 --> 01:37:44,820
inspired exactly and you can come up

2345
01:37:50,629 --> 01:37:46,739
with your own version your own version

2346
01:37:52,870 --> 01:37:50,639
they have possible right oh okay that's

2347
01:37:56,930 --> 01:37:52,880
fiber optics I don't know what this does

2348
01:38:00,110 --> 01:37:56,940
right that's a circuit board okay all

2349
01:38:01,970 --> 01:38:00,120
right you only need the inspiration I

2350
01:38:06,290 --> 01:38:01,980
think I think that you nailed it that's

2351
01:38:08,450 --> 01:38:06,300
exactly it the the biggest obstacle

2352
01:38:09,229 --> 01:38:08,460
or the most important

2353
01:38:11,149 --> 01:38:09,239
um

2354
01:38:12,649 --> 01:38:11,159
opening of the gate that you need is

2355
01:38:15,350 --> 01:38:12,659
knowing that such and such a thing is

2356
01:38:18,290 --> 01:38:15,360
possible you have to know it's possible

2357
01:38:20,870 --> 01:38:18,300
and and that opens all the possibilities

2358
01:38:23,149 --> 01:38:20,880
up for you so in other words

2359
01:38:25,070 --> 01:38:23,159
talk about flying saucer

2360
01:38:27,290 --> 01:38:25,080
once you know that it's possible for an

2361
01:38:29,030 --> 01:38:27,300
object instantly to accelerate from a

2362
01:38:31,010 --> 01:38:29,040
hovering position and make a right angle

2363
01:38:32,870 --> 01:38:31,020
turn silently

2364
01:38:35,750 --> 01:38:32,880
then you're like okay how do we do that

2365
01:38:38,810 --> 01:38:35,760
how do we do it let's open up our mind

2366
01:38:42,290 --> 01:38:38,820
and figure it out so that I think is a

2367
01:38:45,470 --> 01:38:42,300
big big advantage of the recovery of of

2368
01:38:47,090 --> 01:38:45,480
these UFOs they they let you know that

2369
01:38:49,250 --> 01:38:47,100
certain things are possible in areas

2370
01:38:50,930 --> 01:38:49,260
like Material Science in areas like

2371
01:38:51,890 --> 01:38:50,940
propulsion those are two big ones right

2372
01:38:54,890 --> 01:38:51,900
there

2373
01:38:57,590 --> 01:38:54,900
and you know many others but yes I think

2374
01:38:58,610 --> 01:38:57,600
I think that they have been instrumental

2375
01:39:03,590 --> 01:38:58,620
in

2376
01:39:06,590 --> 01:39:03,600
world but to answer the question like

2377
01:39:10,550 --> 01:39:06,600
is it necessary no I don't think so I

2378
01:39:13,430 --> 01:39:10,560
think that our scientific

2379
01:39:16,189 --> 01:39:13,440
path that we have been on would probably

2380
01:39:17,930 --> 01:39:16,199
get us to these places eventually and

2381
01:39:20,209 --> 01:39:17,940
maybe not that much longer maybe just a

2382
01:39:22,910 --> 01:39:20,219
little bit longer I did I did a report

2383
01:39:26,689 --> 01:39:22,920
earlier today on the news uh and I've

2384
01:39:28,970 --> 01:39:26,699
just check this out Richard so

2385
01:39:31,250 --> 01:39:28,980
um a group of researchers University

2386
01:39:34,610 --> 01:39:31,260
just published a paper

2387
01:39:38,390 --> 01:39:34,620
and uh peer-reviewed they went and

2388
01:39:41,810 --> 01:39:38,400
looked at Da Vinci's journals a set of

2389
01:39:43,070 --> 01:39:41,820
journals and a set of experiments that

2390
01:39:47,090 --> 01:39:43,080
he had there

2391
01:39:50,570 --> 01:39:47,100
trying to figure out gravity

2392
01:39:52,669 --> 01:39:50,580
now let's let's see you just said Newton

2393
01:39:54,590 --> 01:39:52,679
right 300 years ago get that now let's

2394
01:39:58,490 --> 01:39:54,600
bounce back another 300 years before

2395
01:40:01,610 --> 01:39:58,500
that uh you know uh Da Vinci was born in

2396
01:40:05,270 --> 01:40:01,620
1450 or something and died in 1510 or

2397
01:40:08,270 --> 01:40:05,280
something right so he did uh laid out in

2398
01:40:11,149 --> 01:40:08,280
these journals a set of experiments uh

2399
01:40:15,770 --> 01:40:11,159
trying to figure out gravity as an

2400
01:40:20,110 --> 01:40:15,780
acceleration tool right a source and so

2401
01:40:22,070 --> 01:40:20,120
and that's his thing they said that that

2402
01:40:26,030 --> 01:40:22,080
da Vinci

2403
01:40:29,810 --> 01:40:26,040
in in 1500 man this is like what

2404
01:40:34,550 --> 01:40:29,820
um was 97 there

2405
01:40:37,010 --> 01:40:34,560
that Newton Newton took his stuff and

2406
01:40:39,350 --> 01:40:37,020
you know in 1750 right and published hit

2407
01:40:41,629 --> 01:40:39,360
you know 300 years ago

2408
01:40:44,750 --> 01:40:41,639
um and and figured out the gravitational

2409
01:40:46,370 --> 01:40:44,760
rules that and laws that we we generally

2410
01:40:49,310 --> 01:40:46,380
still use today

2411
01:40:51,770 --> 01:40:49,320
but the only reason as they write in

2412
01:40:55,129 --> 01:40:51,780
this report the only reason

2413
01:40:57,610 --> 01:40:55,139
Da Vinci didn't go a hundred percent

2414
01:41:02,149 --> 01:40:57,620
he didn't have a clock

2415
01:41:04,729 --> 01:41:02,159
accurate enough to measure the time when

2416
01:41:06,229 --> 01:41:04,739
an object drops to the ground how very

2417
01:41:08,629 --> 01:41:06,239
interesting and if he would have had

2418
01:41:10,070 --> 01:41:08,639
that we would have had a 300 year jump

2419
01:41:12,350 --> 01:41:10,080
start

2420
01:41:14,450 --> 01:41:12,360
that's crazy that's quite interesting

2421
01:41:16,610 --> 01:41:14,460
yeah yeah thanks for that that's that's

2422
01:41:18,950 --> 01:41:16,620
really fascinating that was published

2423
01:41:21,470 --> 01:41:18,960
today it was amazing he was amazing

2424
01:41:24,110 --> 01:41:21,480
I have I've got his journals on the

2425
01:41:26,090 --> 01:41:24,120
bookshelf over there you know what it

2426
01:41:28,490 --> 01:41:26,100
made me look for that yeah I've got it

2427
01:41:30,050 --> 01:41:28,500
I've got a two pack in a box

2428
01:41:33,229 --> 01:41:30,060
um if you want to go pull it out but

2429
01:41:35,209 --> 01:41:33,239
here's the thing though when we go there

2430
01:41:39,649 --> 01:41:35,219
there's there's a tie in here to Wilson

2431
01:41:43,129 --> 01:41:39,659
Davis because if we look at the concepts

2432
01:41:45,229 --> 01:41:43,139
of of the ideas that we are laying out

2433
01:41:47,689 --> 01:41:45,239
here and some of the statements that

2434
01:41:49,250 --> 01:41:47,699
were in the Wilson Davis document pretty

2435
01:41:51,410 --> 01:41:49,260
much is exactly what we're talking about

2436
01:41:53,689 --> 01:41:51,420
here right we we have a craft we know

2437
01:41:55,850 --> 01:41:53,699
what can fly we just can't get the

2438
01:41:57,709 --> 01:41:55,860
sucker in the air right and we're having

2439
01:41:59,930 --> 01:41:57,719
a difficult time but you only have to

2440
01:42:01,490 --> 01:41:59,940
look and observe the craft because when

2441
01:42:03,590 --> 01:42:01,500
you see the stuff that's coming out of

2442
01:42:06,229 --> 01:42:03,600
Skunk Works

2443
01:42:09,070 --> 01:42:06,239
um it would seriously suggest a

2444
01:42:11,050 --> 01:42:09,080
knowledge of something stealth paints

2445
01:42:15,410 --> 01:42:11,060
Electro

2446
01:42:18,109 --> 01:42:15,420
gravidic you know uh electromagnetic uh

2447
01:42:20,030 --> 01:42:18,119
forces on the wings interfering with

2448
01:42:22,010 --> 01:42:20,040
lift to get these things off the ground

2449
01:42:24,950 --> 01:42:22,020
faster they've been working on that for

2450
01:42:27,649 --> 01:42:24,960
decades for decades where do these ideas

2451
01:42:28,970 --> 01:42:27,659
come from it's yeah I don't know I mean

2452
01:42:30,410 --> 01:42:28,980
it's uh

2453
01:42:32,149 --> 01:42:30,420
some of it

2454
01:42:35,209 --> 01:42:32,159
could very well be inspired from

2455
01:42:37,189 --> 01:42:35,219
elsewhere I would certainly say that but

2456
01:42:39,410 --> 01:42:37,199
there's a lot of very very brilliant

2457
01:42:41,510 --> 01:42:39,420
people working on these things no

2458
01:42:43,189 --> 01:42:41,520
question and way more brilliant than I

2459
01:42:45,590 --> 01:42:43,199
could ever be they've got those things

2460
01:42:48,410 --> 01:42:45,600
figured out so I think there's a lot of

2461
01:42:51,350 --> 01:42:48,420
very good people doing work but yes some

2462
01:42:53,689 --> 01:42:51,360
inspiration from Beyond I definitely do

2463
01:42:55,970 --> 01:42:53,699
think that's the case what do you what

2464
01:42:58,609 --> 01:42:55,980
have you been thinking about a timeline

2465
01:43:00,350 --> 01:42:58,619
here uh if you've been writing about

2466
01:43:04,250 --> 01:43:00,360
this and talking about you know the Big

2467
01:43:06,830 --> 01:43:04,260
D word uh for a couple of decades now

2468
01:43:08,810 --> 01:43:06,840
um and it certainly seems that we're in

2469
01:43:11,330 --> 01:43:08,820
A Brave New World right let's let's

2470
01:43:14,330 --> 01:43:11,340
quote you know George Orwell real quick

2471
01:43:17,470 --> 01:43:14,340
but we're right here there is something

2472
01:43:21,350 --> 01:43:17,480
going on do you feel

2473
01:43:25,129 --> 01:43:21,360
uh and it could be from a Washington DC

2474
01:43:27,649 --> 01:43:25,139
control of a timeline of a rollout or is

2475
01:43:29,930 --> 01:43:27,659
there something else going on that isn't

2476
01:43:32,390 --> 01:43:29,940
necessarily in their control and things

2477
01:43:33,890 --> 01:43:32,400
could be quite quicker do you think that

2478
01:43:35,149 --> 01:43:33,900
there is something that's about to

2479
01:43:37,490 --> 01:43:35,159
happen

2480
01:43:40,129 --> 01:43:37,500
and the on the UFO scene or on the

2481
01:43:42,410 --> 01:43:40,139
disclosure scene you're saying yeah

2482
01:43:45,530 --> 01:43:42,420
I I don't

2483
01:43:52,790 --> 01:43:48,530
I don't think that I do

2484
01:43:54,490 --> 01:43:52,800
um well I I don't I here's why I don't

2485
01:43:59,030 --> 01:43:54,500
see

2486
01:44:03,530 --> 01:43:59,040
what is to be gained and and how do you

2487
01:44:08,990 --> 01:44:06,649
do you say

2488
01:44:10,310 --> 01:44:09,000
we have come to understand that some of

2489
01:44:11,590 --> 01:44:10,320
these objects are not from this

2490
01:44:14,270 --> 01:44:11,600
civilization

2491
01:44:17,689 --> 01:44:14,280
what are they going to disclose if they

2492
01:44:22,250 --> 01:44:20,209
it's it's going to be they might in in

2493
01:44:23,810 --> 01:44:22,260
the immediate term be able to control

2494
01:44:28,310 --> 01:44:23,820
all of

2495
01:44:30,470 --> 01:44:28,320
points so that people just accept oh wow

2496
01:44:31,490 --> 01:44:30,480
you just figured that out okay but I

2497
01:44:32,870 --> 01:44:31,500
don't think that's going to last very

2498
01:44:35,330 --> 01:44:32,880
long

2499
01:44:37,310 --> 01:44:35,340
and maybe they won't even care if

2500
01:44:38,990 --> 01:44:37,320
they're implicated in a cover-up

2501
01:44:41,930 --> 01:44:39,000
maybe they're not going to care you know

2502
01:44:44,570 --> 01:44:41,940
in in the earlier years the the big

2503
01:44:46,609 --> 01:44:44,580
concern that I had and I I don't think I

2504
01:44:48,890 --> 01:44:46,619
was alone was that if the government

2505
01:44:50,810 --> 01:44:48,900
were to admit this then they're going to

2506
01:44:51,950 --> 01:44:50,820
admit that they've been lying for a long

2507
01:44:54,590 --> 01:44:51,960
time

2508
01:44:56,629 --> 01:44:54,600
and they don't want to do that but you

2509
01:44:58,729 --> 01:44:56,639
know

2510
01:45:01,129 --> 01:44:58,739
I think we're getting to a point where

2511
01:45:03,229 --> 01:45:01,139
maybe they just don't give a crap they

2512
01:45:06,290 --> 01:45:03,239
just don't care

2513
01:45:08,570 --> 01:45:06,300
what maybe they don't care we've moved

2514
01:45:11,270 --> 01:45:08,580
into an era like you've got most

2515
01:45:13,070 --> 01:45:11,280
national leaders around the world many

2516
01:45:15,229 --> 01:45:13,080
of them are utterly hated by their

2517
01:45:17,030 --> 01:45:15,239
people and they're still in power they

2518
01:45:19,430 --> 01:45:17,040
don't care they know they don't have to

2519
01:45:20,810 --> 01:45:19,440
care what's going to happen to them they

2520
01:45:23,330 --> 01:45:20,820
get they get voted out and then they go

2521
01:45:25,430 --> 01:45:23,340
work for some NGO for the World Bank or

2522
01:45:29,209 --> 01:45:25,440
for Davos or whatever they don't care

2523
01:45:31,370 --> 01:45:29,219
we're in a new era and there is there's

2524
01:45:34,070 --> 01:45:31,380
really no

2525
01:45:35,990 --> 01:45:34,080
there's you you don't get the sense that

2526
01:45:37,189 --> 01:45:36,000
that any of these politicians in our

2527
01:45:38,870 --> 01:45:37,199
world

2528
01:45:40,790 --> 01:45:38,880
really give a

2529
01:45:43,790 --> 01:45:40,800
a damn about what the public thinks of

2530
01:45:46,430 --> 01:45:43,800
them and so I think we could be getting

2531
01:45:48,410 --> 01:45:46,440
to the point where

2532
01:45:49,790 --> 01:45:48,420
the government let's just say the United

2533
01:45:51,770 --> 01:45:49,800
States government

2534
01:45:53,629 --> 01:45:51,780
might get to a point and I'm just

2535
01:45:55,430 --> 01:45:53,639
thinking out loud here with you

2536
01:45:58,250 --> 01:45:55,440
where they

2537
01:46:00,530 --> 01:45:58,260
decide it is in our interest now

2538
01:46:02,570 --> 01:46:00,540
to make a statement

2539
01:46:04,189 --> 01:46:02,580
and people want to think we lied all

2540
01:46:05,810 --> 01:46:04,199
these years ah we don't really care

2541
01:46:07,609 --> 01:46:05,820
we'll handle it

2542
01:46:08,990 --> 01:46:07,619
but there's still going to be a lot of

2543
01:46:11,169 --> 01:46:09,000
other questions

2544
01:46:15,530 --> 01:46:11,179
are there abductions

2545
01:46:19,310 --> 01:46:15,540
are are you hiding classified technology

2546
01:46:21,370 --> 01:46:19,320
energy and energy energy Breakers all of

2547
01:46:23,570 --> 01:46:21,380
that right right so these these will

2548
01:46:25,729 --> 01:46:23,580
these presumably would be difficult to

2549
01:46:27,649 --> 01:46:25,739
contain and then the biggest question

2550
01:46:29,510 --> 01:46:27,659
it's never going to be able to be asked

2551
01:46:31,189 --> 01:46:29,520
in our society I mean

2552
01:46:35,149 --> 01:46:31,199
so many things are just completely

2553
01:46:38,570 --> 01:46:35,159
sealed off but you have to ask are any

2554
01:46:40,370 --> 01:46:38,580
of them here in our society now

2555
01:46:42,229 --> 01:46:40,380
I know it sounds like Invasion of the

2556
01:46:45,649 --> 01:46:42,239
Body Snatchers but we got to get over

2557
01:46:47,330 --> 01:46:45,659
that we have to recognize that this is a

2558
01:46:49,729 --> 01:46:47,340
real possibility

2559
01:46:50,570 --> 01:46:49,739
you talk to any you know in one of the

2560
01:46:52,669 --> 01:46:50,580
um

2561
01:46:53,930 --> 01:46:52,679
your commercials during the break you

2562
01:46:56,090 --> 01:46:53,940
mentioned Linda Moulton house getting a

2563
01:46:58,250 --> 01:46:56,100
Lifetime Achievement Award she deserves

2564
01:47:00,169 --> 01:46:58,260
it well Linda Linda has talked about

2565
01:47:02,870 --> 01:47:00,179
human-looking beings human looking

2566
01:47:05,510 --> 01:47:02,880
aliens sure she has she's come across

2567
01:47:07,609 --> 01:47:05,520
those stories as have I as have a lot of

2568
01:47:08,990 --> 01:47:07,619
people a lot of researchers have come

2569
01:47:11,149 --> 01:47:09,000
across this

2570
01:47:12,830 --> 01:47:11,159
what what do we do with that if you have

2571
01:47:16,129 --> 01:47:12,840
the recognition

2572
01:47:18,830 --> 01:47:16,139
that there are beings that are here

2573
01:47:20,030 --> 01:47:18,840
and are we going to be okay with the

2574
01:47:22,250 --> 01:47:20,040
fact that some of them are here looking

2575
01:47:24,229 --> 01:47:22,260
like us what are they doing and have

2576
01:47:26,689 --> 01:47:24,239
they do they have influence over our

2577
01:47:28,729 --> 01:47:26,699
over our world

2578
01:47:31,609 --> 01:47:28,739
this is

2579
01:47:35,689 --> 01:47:31,619
it it's sounds crazy but it's not crazy

2580
01:47:37,550 --> 01:47:35,699
it's a legit question to ask and and and

2581
01:47:39,410 --> 01:47:37,560
no one in the UFO field really wants to

2582
01:47:41,450 --> 01:47:39,420
ask it because they don't like the way

2583
01:47:42,830 --> 01:47:41,460
it makes them sound which okay I get

2584
01:47:45,109 --> 01:47:42,840
that

2585
01:47:47,450 --> 01:47:45,119
I don't want to bring it up either but

2586
01:47:50,090 --> 01:47:47,460
how do you how do you ignore it so there

2587
01:47:53,570 --> 01:47:50,100
are difficult questions that will be

2588
01:47:54,649 --> 01:47:53,580
that are like are liable to be raised I

2589
01:47:57,410 --> 01:47:54,659
don't know if they're likely to be

2590
01:48:00,109 --> 01:47:57,420
raised but they're liable to be raised

2591
01:48:02,270 --> 01:48:00,119
so disclosure is it's always going to be

2592
01:48:05,450 --> 01:48:02,280
messy I just don't see it as an easy

2593
01:48:06,649 --> 01:48:05,460
thing and I I I I'll just stop but I

2594
01:48:07,970 --> 01:48:06,659
think

2595
01:48:11,149 --> 01:48:07,980
the the

2596
01:48:12,950 --> 01:48:11,159
power of inertia is very great here and

2597
01:48:16,669 --> 01:48:12,960
the Secret's been going for a long time

2598
01:48:19,189 --> 01:48:16,679
and I I continue to feel that this will

2599
01:48:21,649 --> 01:48:19,199
will go for as long as it can be dragged

2600
01:48:23,149 --> 01:48:21,659
out because it's in their interest it's

2601
01:48:25,010 --> 01:48:23,159
in the interest of

2602
01:48:26,390 --> 01:48:25,020
the beings that are here and it's in the

2603
01:48:28,850 --> 01:48:26,400
interest of

2604
01:48:30,410 --> 01:48:28,860
the global system of governments that

2605
01:48:32,629 --> 01:48:30,420
has come into place it's in their system

2606
01:48:33,709 --> 01:48:32,639
interests as well to keep this on the

2607
01:48:36,229 --> 01:48:33,719
down low

2608
01:48:39,790 --> 01:48:36,239
that's why I think that uh the movie

2609
01:48:41,689 --> 01:48:39,800
They Live is a documentary

2610
01:48:46,209 --> 01:48:41,699
you know and you stop and you think

2611
01:48:50,930 --> 01:48:46,219
about that but but is it also possible

2612
01:48:52,609 --> 01:48:50,940
that the uh the United States government

2613
01:48:54,290 --> 01:48:52,619
will stay there we could say the rest of

2614
01:48:55,669 --> 01:48:54,300
the world and other state actors but

2615
01:48:59,570 --> 01:48:55,679
let's say the United States government

2616
01:49:02,270 --> 01:48:59,580
is holding off as long as they can

2617
01:49:04,850 --> 01:49:02,280
so that the gene they're hoping that the

2618
01:49:06,709 --> 01:49:04,860
James Webb Space Telescope is going to

2619
01:49:08,930 --> 01:49:06,719
produce something because then that

2620
01:49:10,970 --> 01:49:08,940
takes the pressure off right so James

2621
01:49:13,669 --> 01:49:10,980
Webb says Ah we got a techno signal not

2622
01:49:16,850 --> 01:49:13,679
a bio signature we've got a techno

2623
01:49:19,250 --> 01:49:16,860
signature coming off of trappist-1 uh

2624
01:49:22,010 --> 01:49:19,260
Planet number four and there are city

2625
01:49:25,370 --> 01:49:22,020
lights right or whatever it may be right

2626
01:49:28,430 --> 01:49:25,380
where it's something that will take the

2627
01:49:30,770 --> 01:49:28,440
pressure off so they can therefore from

2628
01:49:33,050 --> 01:49:30,780
this point forward base it on that and

2629
01:49:35,090 --> 01:49:33,060
the conversation is on the table is that

2630
01:49:36,890 --> 01:49:35,100
a possibility yeah that's possible but

2631
01:49:37,729 --> 01:49:36,900
that doesn't make the UFO problem go

2632
01:49:41,090 --> 01:49:37,739
away

2633
01:49:42,950 --> 01:49:41,100
people still encounter objects low

2634
01:49:44,629 --> 01:49:42,960
hovering triangles 100 feet over their

2635
01:49:47,330 --> 01:49:44,639
house at 2 30 in the morning that still

2636
01:49:49,430 --> 01:49:47,340
happens they still have a parent

2637
01:49:51,890 --> 01:49:49,440
abduction experiences that still happens

2638
01:49:54,970 --> 01:49:51,900
there are still sightings of utterly

2639
01:49:56,930 --> 01:49:54,980
extraordinary objects in our skies and

2640
01:49:59,689 --> 01:49:56,940
increasingly you know you can try to

2641
01:50:00,890 --> 01:49:59,699
pass them off as uh secret Tech but some

2642
01:50:02,209 --> 01:50:00,900
of them are still kind of tough to pass

2643
01:50:05,209 --> 01:50:02,219
off that way

2644
01:50:08,270 --> 01:50:05,219
so I don't know I I think the the game

2645
01:50:11,770 --> 01:50:08,280
plan is is going to be

2646
01:50:13,850 --> 01:50:11,780
uh turn UFOs into balloons

2647
01:50:15,950 --> 01:50:13,860
destigmatize UFOs and make them

2648
01:50:19,850 --> 01:50:15,960
non-exotic pretend that there are no

2649
01:50:21,709 --> 01:50:19,860
exotic UEFA reports and

2650
01:50:24,169 --> 01:50:21,719
and just keep going just keep going

2651
01:50:27,050 --> 01:50:24,179
along that along that path I think

2652
01:50:30,350 --> 01:50:27,060
that's I I believe I still think that

2653
01:50:32,810 --> 01:50:30,360
you have a concerted effort to siphon

2654
01:50:35,209 --> 01:50:32,820
UFOs out of the public conversation

2655
01:50:39,430 --> 01:50:35,219
or at least to Rebrand it to such an

2656
01:50:42,290 --> 01:50:39,440
extent that it's not it's not real

2657
01:50:45,470 --> 01:50:42,300
they have to Rebrand their own branding

2658
01:50:48,109 --> 01:50:45,480
right it was it was them that went from

2659
01:50:50,930 --> 01:50:48,119
you opposed to uaps and you know it

2660
01:50:53,209 --> 01:50:50,940
started this conversation and and you

2661
01:50:55,850 --> 01:50:53,219
know getting you know Tucker Carlson you

2662
01:50:58,370 --> 01:50:55,860
know to go off the rails and so if you

2663
01:50:59,750 --> 01:50:58,380
go and you if he's the one mainstream

2664
01:51:02,169 --> 01:50:59,760
guy who actually is decent on this

2665
01:51:05,090 --> 01:51:02,179
that's what I'm saying right

2666
01:51:08,270 --> 01:51:05,100
I'm saying in the in the mass media

2667
01:51:10,129 --> 01:51:08,280
context he he went off the rails so you

2668
01:51:12,350 --> 01:51:10,139
you did all of the and now you're gonna

2669
01:51:15,350 --> 01:51:12,360
turn around and Rebrand The Branding

2670
01:51:17,930 --> 01:51:15,360
that you work so hard on that's why I

2671
01:51:20,750 --> 01:51:17,940
think so yeah and it goes back to your

2672
01:51:22,370 --> 01:51:20,760
point though Richard so if James Webb

2673
01:51:25,250 --> 01:51:22,380
takes the pressure off

2674
01:51:27,950 --> 01:51:25,260
then it's not about what the government

2675
01:51:30,890 --> 01:51:27,960
knew they can now say yeah this stuff

2676
01:51:32,990 --> 01:51:30,900
was real we didn't know James Webb just

2677
01:51:35,510 --> 01:51:33,000
confirmed it so now we can go back and

2678
01:51:37,370 --> 01:51:35,520
historically look at it but we now we

2679
01:51:39,229 --> 01:51:37,380
got nothing we didn't know well they

2680
01:51:40,609 --> 01:51:39,239
they can do that because they they'll do

2681
01:51:43,370 --> 01:51:40,619
everything they can to rewrite history

2682
01:51:45,770 --> 01:51:43,380
and to erase the history there's the

2683
01:51:48,169 --> 01:51:45,780
history of military encounters with

2684
01:51:50,149 --> 01:51:48,179
flying saucers is still there the

2685
01:51:51,830 --> 01:51:50,159
history of people having Close

2686
01:51:54,649 --> 01:51:51,840
Encounters and abduction experiences

2687
01:51:56,570 --> 01:51:54,659
with branded craft is still there right

2688
01:51:58,490 --> 01:51:56,580
so so you can say oh yeah we've

2689
01:52:00,709 --> 01:51:58,500
discovered a techno signal yeah that's

2690
01:52:03,169 --> 01:52:00,719
great that's nice and safe that's way

2691
01:52:05,930 --> 01:52:03,179
far away on another star system exactly

2692
01:52:07,550 --> 01:52:05,940
that's that doesn't the the problem that

2693
01:52:09,530 --> 01:52:07,560
the U.S government and and any

2694
01:52:12,830 --> 01:52:09,540
government but especially the US has is

2695
01:52:14,930 --> 01:52:12,840
being implicated in a lie and implicated

2696
01:52:17,209 --> 01:52:14,940
in a cover-up and implicated in doing

2697
01:52:21,770 --> 01:52:17,219
something that's actually important to

2698
01:52:24,590 --> 01:52:21,780
hide this important phenomenon so that's

2699
01:52:26,810 --> 01:52:24,600
so that means that they have to play

2700
01:52:29,510 --> 01:52:26,820
this game of pretend like oh let's look

2701
01:52:31,550 --> 01:52:29,520
into this UFO these uaps and let's see

2702
01:52:33,229 --> 01:52:31,560
if there's something there that's that's

2703
01:52:35,209 --> 01:52:33,239
where they're at right now we're like

2704
01:52:37,070 --> 01:52:35,219
yeah we're we're genuinely exploring

2705
01:52:37,970 --> 01:52:37,080
this and if we find anything we'll tell

2706
01:52:40,729 --> 01:52:37,980
you

2707
01:52:43,430 --> 01:52:40,739
and that's that's all dishonest that's

2708
01:52:45,109 --> 01:52:43,440
utterly dishonest uh but you know

2709
01:52:47,510 --> 01:52:45,119
finding another

2710
01:52:49,370 --> 01:52:47,520
life form somewhere else in the universe

2711
01:52:51,350 --> 01:52:49,380
or signal that doesn't that doesn't

2712
01:52:53,450 --> 01:52:51,360
implicate them in anything bad so that's

2713
01:52:55,669 --> 01:52:53,460
safe right that's a totally safe thing

2714
01:52:57,470 --> 01:52:55,679
you're hoping man they're holding

2715
01:53:00,890 --> 01:52:57,480
because that takes the pressure off

2716
01:53:03,649 --> 01:53:00,900
right that that the the whole maybe it

2717
01:53:05,810 --> 01:53:03,659
will maybe it will yeah yeah I mean it

2718
01:53:09,530 --> 01:53:05,820
just makes it makes perfect sense to me

2719
01:53:12,709 --> 01:53:09,540
and when you uh you combine all of that

2720
01:53:14,750 --> 01:53:12,719
with exoplanets and the confirmation of

2721
01:53:17,870 --> 01:53:14,760
this and Goldilocks zones and the size

2722
01:53:20,410 --> 01:53:17,880
of this and what is going on and uh uh

2723
01:53:23,209 --> 01:53:20,420
fast radio burst right you constantly

2724
01:53:24,890 --> 01:53:23,219
acquire all of the scientific data and

2725
01:53:27,290 --> 01:53:24,900
you're pushing it out into the public

2726
01:53:29,450 --> 01:53:27,300
right you're taking the pressure off of

2727
01:53:31,250 --> 01:53:29,460
you or somebody's gonna right somebody's

2728
01:53:32,390 --> 01:53:31,260
gonna make that Discovery for you we're

2729
01:53:34,370 --> 01:53:32,400
running we're running out of time

2730
01:53:36,169 --> 01:53:34,380
because you think of it this way the

2731
01:53:37,490 --> 01:53:36,179
level of our technology is becoming so

2732
01:53:39,229 --> 01:53:37,500
advanced

2733
01:53:41,209 --> 01:53:39,239
it you know it's going to make UFO

2734
01:53:43,729 --> 01:53:41,219
sightings almost seem like ah no big

2735
01:53:45,470 --> 01:53:43,739
deal that's ours it's all ours and

2736
01:53:47,270 --> 01:53:45,480
they'll just erase the history which

2737
01:53:50,870 --> 01:53:47,280
they're already doing as everything they

2738
01:53:52,430 --> 01:53:50,880
can to do and uh and if there is a

2739
01:53:54,229 --> 01:53:52,440
presence of other beings that have an

2740
01:53:56,030 --> 01:53:54,239
agenda

2741
01:53:58,129 --> 01:53:56,040
you know I think once we get past a

2742
01:53:59,870 --> 01:53:58,139
certain point in our society and our

2743
01:54:02,570 --> 01:53:59,880
technology

2744
01:54:04,490 --> 01:54:02,580
they may see that there's clear sailing

2745
01:54:06,770 --> 01:54:04,500
as far as UFOs go they may say oh yeah

2746
01:54:09,709 --> 01:54:06,780
that's just part of your history part of

2747
01:54:11,629 --> 01:54:09,719
our history that we got that wrong

2748
01:54:13,430 --> 01:54:11,639
there there are UFOs now but that's

2749
01:54:14,570 --> 01:54:13,440
things that we make like I could see

2750
01:54:17,870 --> 01:54:14,580
that happening

2751
01:54:22,189 --> 01:54:17,880
yeah is such a great example of that or

2752
01:54:24,530 --> 01:54:22,199
the idea of a tr3b and that's a triangle

2753
01:54:28,010 --> 01:54:24,540
right and a gravitic triangle but it

2754
01:54:29,890 --> 01:54:28,020
could be any shape right and and so if

2755
01:54:32,830 --> 01:54:29,900
that happens

2756
01:54:35,450 --> 01:54:32,840
sightings are are not even legit anymore

2757
01:54:37,550 --> 01:54:35,460
I'm gonna say so I have I have a couple

2758
01:54:40,070 --> 01:54:37,560
of uh correspondents

2759
01:54:42,950 --> 01:54:40,080
who um

2760
01:54:45,709 --> 01:54:42,960
are are concerned

2761
01:54:47,810 --> 01:54:45,719
that there's an infiltration going on so

2762
01:54:49,970 --> 01:54:47,820
let's just say just pretend that that's

2763
01:54:51,950 --> 01:54:49,980
true because it could be true

2764
01:54:53,510 --> 01:54:51,960
if there is

2765
01:54:56,810 --> 01:54:53,520
then

2766
01:55:01,010 --> 01:54:58,970
are they are they just

2767
01:55:03,229 --> 01:55:01,020
have they inserted themselves into our

2768
01:55:05,510 --> 01:55:03,239
world and are managing our world for

2769
01:55:07,850 --> 01:55:05,520
their ends not for our ends

2770
01:55:11,149 --> 01:55:07,860
you're looking at entire Global civil

2771
01:55:12,590 --> 01:55:11,159
civilization falling to pieces going

2772
01:55:14,209 --> 01:55:12,600
into what I keep calling the fourth

2773
01:55:16,729 --> 01:55:14,219
stage of humanity basically turning us

2774
01:55:17,870 --> 01:55:16,739
into one big digital ant hill that's

2775
01:55:19,910 --> 01:55:17,880
happening

2776
01:55:23,209 --> 01:55:19,920
is that our design or is that someone

2777
01:55:26,030 --> 01:55:23,219
else's design maybe it's both but if if

2778
01:55:28,370 --> 01:55:26,040
there is an infiltration

2779
01:55:31,129 --> 01:55:28,380
the clock is ticking for our ability

2780
01:55:33,410 --> 01:55:31,139
very likely to do anything about it yeah

2781
01:55:35,450 --> 01:55:33,420
maybe the clock's already struck

2782
01:55:36,669 --> 01:55:35,460
midnight and maybe it's too late but you

2783
01:55:39,050 --> 01:55:36,679
know

2784
01:55:40,430 --> 01:55:39,060
you brought up the point though Invasion

2785
01:55:42,770 --> 01:55:40,440
of the Body smell you know that's what

2786
01:55:46,850 --> 01:55:42,780
parasites do right get into the host

2787
01:55:48,169 --> 01:55:46,860
body and and and and and and live off of

2788
01:55:50,870 --> 01:55:48,179
it and hopefully just take everything

2789
01:55:52,729 --> 01:55:50,880
over and survive off of that and that

2790
01:55:54,169 --> 01:55:52,739
could be the case I mean someone who

2791
01:55:56,990 --> 01:55:54,179
thinks that this is crazy talk should

2792
01:55:59,689 --> 01:55:57,000
just take a step back and you look at

2793
01:56:03,830 --> 01:55:59,699
the UFO phenomenon you look at the long

2794
01:56:06,050 --> 01:56:03,840
history of Encounters of abductions of

2795
01:56:09,290 --> 01:56:06,060
alleged hybridization

2796
01:56:10,850 --> 01:56:09,300
David Jacobs work on hybrid hubris Cuban

2797
01:56:12,770 --> 01:56:10,860
looking hybrids and all of that and you

2798
01:56:15,709 --> 01:56:12,780
start you put this together

2799
01:56:17,930 --> 01:56:15,719
and it is not difficult it is not

2800
01:56:20,689 --> 01:56:17,940
outrageous even when you actually look

2801
01:56:22,910 --> 01:56:20,699
at the testimony and evidence

2802
01:56:25,310 --> 01:56:22,920
that there could be this this

2803
01:56:26,870 --> 01:56:25,320
infiltration happening and if that's the

2804
01:56:29,149 --> 01:56:26,880
case you could say well it's some people

2805
01:56:31,250 --> 01:56:29,159
say it's benign and some people say nope

2806
01:56:33,290 --> 01:56:31,260
it's not benign

2807
01:56:36,109 --> 01:56:33,300
but it's happening and it's covert

2808
01:56:38,750 --> 01:56:36,119
there's definitely a covert presence of

2809
01:56:40,729 --> 01:56:38,760
other that's here and I do believe that

2810
01:56:41,870 --> 01:56:40,739
they're interacting in our world the

2811
01:56:44,030 --> 01:56:41,880
real question is what are they doing

2812
01:56:46,970 --> 01:56:44,040
what's the agenda

2813
01:56:49,310 --> 01:56:46,980
is it's not a trivial matter there's

2814
01:56:52,070 --> 01:56:49,320
something big happening it's been

2815
01:56:55,970 --> 01:56:52,080
happening for since really the almost

2816
01:56:57,890 --> 01:56:55,980
the mid 20th century in a big way

2817
01:56:59,330 --> 01:56:57,900
I think I think we confuse ourselves

2818
01:57:01,129 --> 01:56:59,340
when we say oh they've always been here

2819
01:57:02,689 --> 01:57:01,139
I think I think we've got to really be

2820
01:57:06,830 --> 01:57:02,699
careful about that

2821
01:57:09,590 --> 01:57:06,840
yes someone has kind of always been here

2822
01:57:10,729 --> 01:57:09,600
but are they the ones who are acting on

2823
01:57:12,589 --> 01:57:10,739
us now

2824
01:57:13,669 --> 01:57:12,599
because you don't get reports of gray

2825
01:57:16,910 --> 01:57:13,679
aliens

2826
01:57:19,490 --> 01:57:16,920
back in the time of Leonardo da Vinci

2827
01:57:21,470 --> 01:57:19,500
you don't there's a friend of a friend

2828
01:57:24,470 --> 01:57:21,480
of Leonardo's who actually had a very

2829
01:57:26,149 --> 01:57:24,480
bizarre encounter yeah Fazio cardano I

2830
01:57:28,250 --> 01:57:26,159
wrote about him in one of my books yeah

2831
01:57:30,109 --> 01:57:28,260
yeah but they were human looking

2832
01:57:31,790 --> 01:57:30,119
and they were

2833
01:57:33,770 --> 01:57:31,800
they talked to him

2834
01:57:35,870 --> 01:57:33,780
they weren't gray aliens

2835
01:57:37,310 --> 01:57:35,880
so I think we're dealing with something

2836
01:57:39,109 --> 01:57:37,320
very different today

2837
01:57:40,910 --> 01:57:39,119
this is not the same thing as the

2838
01:57:42,109 --> 01:57:40,920
long-standing presence

2839
01:57:45,050 --> 01:57:42,119
I think there's something much more

2840
01:57:45,649 --> 01:57:45,060
active and that we should be concerned

2841
01:57:49,310 --> 01:57:45,659
about

2842
01:57:50,930 --> 01:57:49,320
it is concerning well uh we're actually

2843
01:57:54,050 --> 01:57:50,940
at the end of the show

2844
01:57:55,010 --> 01:57:54,060
um but uh let me let me make this one

2845
01:57:56,930 --> 01:57:55,020
comment

2846
01:58:00,350 --> 01:57:56,940
if you

2847
01:58:02,270 --> 01:58:00,360
think about think about how thick your

2848
01:58:04,490 --> 01:58:02,280
thickest book is that you wrote right

2849
01:58:06,910 --> 01:58:04,500
how many pages right okay did you ever

2850
01:58:10,370 --> 01:58:06,920
bust a thousand Pages

2851
01:58:13,990 --> 01:58:10,380
highest level 634 that's my job that's a

2852
01:58:17,209 --> 01:58:14,000
lot of writing right okay now imagine

2853
01:58:21,669 --> 01:58:17,219
600 pages and and how many words are on

2854
01:58:25,490 --> 01:58:21,679
a page if you were logging

2855
01:58:30,229 --> 01:58:25,500
every star system in the Milky Way

2856
01:58:34,609 --> 01:58:30,239
think about the Skies of the database

2857
01:58:36,410 --> 01:58:34,619
right so if you if you are

2858
01:58:38,870 --> 01:58:36,420
um cruising by

2859
01:58:40,970 --> 01:58:38,880
Earth uh you know our star system here

2860
01:58:43,790 --> 01:58:40,980
what what do we have eight planets here

2861
01:58:47,990 --> 01:58:43,800
we have another 3 000 dwarf planets you

2862
01:58:49,850 --> 01:58:48,000
know out Beyond Pluto out yeah okay but

2863
01:58:53,649 --> 01:58:49,860
just think about this for a second so

2864
01:58:56,870 --> 01:58:53,659
you're cruising by how much time are you

2865
01:58:58,669 --> 01:58:56,880
Earth is going to get a number

2866
01:59:00,530 --> 01:58:58,679
all right it's not going to get a name

2867
01:59:02,570 --> 01:59:00,540
it's going to get it a number how much

2868
01:59:05,050 --> 01:59:02,580
time are you going to spend here because

2869
01:59:08,870 --> 01:59:05,060
you have another

2870
01:59:12,109 --> 01:59:08,880
right five trillion whatever just here

2871
01:59:15,649 --> 01:59:12,119
in the Milky Way right and and that you

2872
01:59:17,629 --> 01:59:15,659
have to go and and and log and and do

2873
01:59:20,149 --> 01:59:17,639
because that's what we're doing now we

2874
01:59:22,790 --> 01:59:20,159
are trying to map the Milky Way we're

2875
01:59:25,450 --> 01:59:22,800
doing our best to get that done from

2876
01:59:28,910 --> 01:59:25,460
here right now how thick is that book

2877
01:59:31,850 --> 01:59:28,920
it's ginormous so how much time so back

2878
01:59:33,229 --> 01:59:31,860
to your point Richard are you going to

2879
01:59:38,149 --> 01:59:33,239
come back

2880
01:59:39,890 --> 01:59:38,159
I think now is the time yeah because

2881
01:59:41,930 --> 01:59:39,900
it's our moment when we're about to LEAP

2882
01:59:43,910 --> 01:59:41,940
into their world that's right that's

2883
01:59:46,250 --> 01:59:43,920
right and so the way of interest for

2884
01:59:49,010 --> 01:59:46,260
that and here's the other spin

2885
01:59:50,390 --> 01:59:49,020
this is my other spin I'll let you chew

2886
01:59:51,470 --> 01:59:50,400
on this and everybody can think about

2887
01:59:54,050 --> 01:59:51,480
this

2888
01:59:56,510 --> 01:59:54,060
here we are here's Earth so we've been

2889
01:59:59,330 --> 01:59:56,520
sending out as we know radio television

2890
02:00:02,030 --> 01:59:59,340
let's say 150 years let's go 100 we see

2891
02:00:03,950 --> 02:00:02,040
the very beginnings of Marconi and Tesla

2892
02:00:06,950 --> 02:00:03,960
right okay so let's just say we're in

2893
02:00:09,589 --> 02:00:06,960
2023 so let's say 150 years we've been

2894
02:00:13,310 --> 02:00:09,599
broadcasting out we've been broadcasting

2895
02:00:16,129 --> 02:00:13,320
out realistic stuff for maybe a hundred

2896
02:00:20,030 --> 02:00:16,139
so let's go 100 years 100 years at the

2897
02:00:23,390 --> 02:00:20,040
speed of light out we've got about 2

2898
02:00:26,750 --> 02:00:23,400
000 stars star systems in our local

2899
02:00:28,430 --> 02:00:26,760
neighborhood that are a hundred light

2900
02:00:32,750 --> 02:00:28,440
years away

2901
02:00:36,890 --> 02:00:32,760
okay so we would expect

2902
02:00:40,850 --> 02:00:36,900
uh that that number in half 1

2903
02:00:43,250 --> 02:00:40,860
000 that are 50 light years away

2904
02:00:47,330 --> 02:00:43,260
that if there is something intelligent

2905
02:00:50,750 --> 02:00:47,340
we would expect something now

2906
02:00:52,729 --> 02:00:50,760
right now like this year right and next

2907
02:00:55,609 --> 02:00:52,739
year and the year after wouldn't

2908
02:00:58,910 --> 02:00:55,619
necessarily be before that because they

2909
02:01:02,870 --> 02:00:58,920
haven't gotten our signals right so I I

2910
02:01:05,689 --> 02:01:02,880
don't put that past a possibility if we

2911
02:01:07,310 --> 02:01:05,699
are dealing with traditional speed of

2912
02:01:09,530 --> 02:01:07,320
light you know radio transmission

2913
02:01:12,950 --> 02:01:09,540
signals traveling at the speed of light

2914
02:01:15,649 --> 02:01:12,960
that if we stay with Einstein and and

2915
02:01:18,410 --> 02:01:15,659
and relativity that that's what we're

2916
02:01:21,890 --> 02:01:18,420
dealing with so there is no reason why

2917
02:01:23,510 --> 02:01:21,900
right now this this time period that the

2918
02:01:26,870 --> 02:01:23,520
activity is kicked up like it has

2919
02:01:28,870 --> 02:01:26,880
because we've we've let them know right

2920
02:01:31,990 --> 02:01:28,880
we're Morris coding this thing right

2921
02:01:36,290 --> 02:01:32,000
right we're over here

2922
02:01:39,770 --> 02:01:36,300
and uh and and yeah so I I would say

2923
02:01:43,189 --> 02:01:39,780
that uh the next uh five ten years

2924
02:01:46,010 --> 02:01:43,199
because every five ten years past that

2925
02:01:47,990 --> 02:01:46,020
now we're getting out into the thousands

2926
02:01:50,209 --> 02:01:48,000
of planets that are within that region

2927
02:01:53,089 --> 02:01:50,219
you know of a hundred light years okay

2928
02:01:55,550 --> 02:01:53,099
so that's my take and and I don't know

2929
02:01:57,770 --> 02:01:55,560
man I'm feeling pretty good about it I

2930
02:02:00,709 --> 02:01:57,780
think I think they found us a little

2931
02:02:03,709 --> 02:02:00,719
earlier than that because the at least

2932
02:02:05,689 --> 02:02:03,719
the evidence looks like there's was an

2933
02:02:07,129 --> 02:02:05,699
explosion of UFO sightings starting in

2934
02:02:10,070 --> 02:02:07,139
the 1940s

2935
02:02:12,290 --> 02:02:10,080
uh there were some before that but you

2936
02:02:15,169 --> 02:02:12,300
get a massive in number massive amount

2937
02:02:17,750 --> 02:02:15,179
seemingly in the 40s and I think that

2938
02:02:19,910 --> 02:02:17,760
might be the first wave yeah sure and

2939
02:02:22,010 --> 02:02:19,920
and so and what you're referring to that

2940
02:02:25,070 --> 02:02:22,020
no you're absolutely correct and and you

2941
02:02:28,129 --> 02:02:25,080
go back to uh and Nuremberg and you can

2942
02:02:30,830 --> 02:02:28,139
go back to the 1890s and we could push

2943
02:02:32,689 --> 02:02:30,840
things back uh to other stuff and what

2944
02:02:35,030 --> 02:02:32,699
Moses was seeing all right so we have

2945
02:02:36,709 --> 02:02:35,040
all of that through history for sure but

2946
02:02:39,850 --> 02:02:36,719
those are the those are the the

2947
02:02:43,490 --> 02:02:39,860
civilizations that had the technology

2948
02:02:46,310 --> 02:02:43,500
to find us it's a little bit different

2949
02:02:49,250 --> 02:02:46,320
so I'm just referring to those out there

2950
02:02:51,290 --> 02:02:49,260
that may be at our level not necessarily

2951
02:02:54,350 --> 02:02:51,300
Interstellar but they could send a

2952
02:02:55,850 --> 02:02:54,360
signal right so yeah this conversation

2953
02:02:57,229 --> 02:02:55,860
needs to go to a place where you burn

2954
02:02:58,850 --> 02:02:57,239
one and you just keep going through the

2955
02:03:04,990 --> 02:02:58,860
night you know what I'm saying yeah I

2956
02:03:10,370 --> 02:03:07,790
I haven't burned one in in 20 years but

2957
02:03:12,229 --> 02:03:10,380
I would do it with you do you remember

2958
02:03:14,750 --> 02:03:12,239
um I'll leave you with this

2959
02:03:17,390 --> 02:03:14,760
one of my favorite scenes of burning

2960
02:03:18,770 --> 02:03:17,400
weed it's about our community it's

2961
02:03:21,410 --> 02:03:18,780
Animal House

2962
02:03:24,109 --> 02:03:21,420
and they go over Donald Sutherland is

2963
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the hippie Professor right okay and they

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go over to his house and they're gonna

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smoke pot right they all sit down they

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like candles you know they're smoking

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weed Donald Sutherland and and one of

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the kids from the animal from the Frat

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he goes you mean you mean like the cell

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in my thumbnail could be like a whole

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as you can see it is the best man what's

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the name of it I haven't seen it it's

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Animal House uh with John Belushi oh man

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you know oh that was an animal house

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yeah yeah oh I saw that a long time ago

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okay you gotta watch that again give me

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my you mean the cell

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all right man Richard give my best to

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Tracy sir love you brother and uh this

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is this is gonna get crazier and crazier

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and I can't wait until our next

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conversation thank you so much always a

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pleasure thank you Jimmy Richard Dolan

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members and if you if you caught part of

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this show I always send uh Richard a

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file and he gets it up on his side for

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Richard Dolan members and and all of you

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guys can go and enjoy it over there and

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replay it to your heart's content thank

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you so much Richard behave and be well

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my friend thank you so much Jimmy take

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care the best Richard Dolan and I'm

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gonna get out of here I'm over and uh

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this is Fade to Black I am your host

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Jimmy church and uh and I'm gonna watch

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here's the thing

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Richard and I always have an after show

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but tonight it's late I'm gonna I'm

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gonna watch him click out he's gonna go

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Fade to Black thank you so much Richard

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the absolute very best Fade to Black is

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Church

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until the next time you see me I've got

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a cold we'll see how I feel tomorrow be

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safe

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